Pacquiao-Cotto Round 3 Live Video: MASSIVE SHOT (Pacquiao Shoulda Gone To Sleep)

I'm aware. Pacquiao may not have been a natural welter at the time, but he was healthy. He was not bloated or blown up. Ask any boxer and they will tell you, losing that last pound is the hardest. That's why Canelo fights at 155 now, that 1 pound makes a difference.

I'm not saying Cotto would've won had the weight been higher, I think he was just out gunned and Pacquiao is the better boxer. All I'm saying is in that fight, they were roughly the same size.

So you're saying in 2009 that Cotto could still make 140? Stfu your point is invalid.

 

****ing idiot

its 5 years ago and back then cotto had no problem fighting at that weight his previous fights show that he fought clottey just one fight before at 146 and before that he was fighting at 140

 

And Pac's natural size today is not the same as it was 5 or 10 years ago. If he cuts to 135 today he is sacrificing a lot of muscle that he wouldn't have sacrificed 10 years ago. He's already lean so 5 to 10 pounds of muscle is a lot. He's grown into the weight. Calling him a former fly weight is irrelevant because he's long out grown that weight.

 

lol HOW MANY ****ING TIMES IF TODAY COTTO WAS TO GO TO 146 THEN I WOULD AGREE

BUT BACK WHEN PAC FOUGHT HIM HE WAS MAKING WEIGHT OK IN HIS LAST FIGHT AGAINST CLOTTEY HE CAME IN AT 146

 

You do realize he moved up to 154 because he was having trouble making 147 right?

And if I'm cutting weight and struggling to do so, coming in lower negates my size advantage. You do understand that right?

Cotto did not have a size advantage that night.

 

you are talking like pac fought him recently pac fought him when he had no problems making weight if back then cotto was fighting at 154 then i would agree

 

To be clear, I'm not saying Cotto was drained. Because I do not believe he was.

 

So if you don't then why all this?:hey

 

That's why you're arguing, because you thought I was saying Cotto was drained. Once again, you have no reading comprehension skills. English is not your first language. atsch

If I wanted to imply Cotto was drained, I'd flat out say it.

That 1 lbs made a difference though, trust me. There's a reason Pacquiao fought Oscar at 147 and later Cotto at 145. And refused to fight Mosley unless it was at 143. Would it have changed the result? Probably not, but there's a reason for it. It's to negate the other fighters' power.

 

Aren't these two statements a little contradictory?

Either Cotto as the naturally bigger man had a size advantage or Cotto was drained so he didn't have a size advantage or am I misunderstanding something?

 

he is arguing about nothing

 

Old footage. Today same shot put PAC in a coma.

 

I disagree. Toe to toe with Pacquiao is suicide, unless you are a supreme counterpuncher, which Cotto is not. Boxing him, staying patient, right hand leads with occasional left hooks to the body, and moving to his left was Cotto's best chance. Manny starts getting frustrated when fighters don't engage in his type of fights. Manny was able to counter Cotto's jab only when Manny started closing the distance and Cotto got overconfident and started to go toe to toe with Manny at the end of the 2nd round, when the fans stood on their feet in appreciation cuz Cotto was trading shots with Manny. By the 3rd that's when Manny came out like the Tasmanian devil and Cotto fought with his heart instead of his brain. You could tell Manny was trying to counter Cotto's left since the very first round, but he was missing. Cotto doesn't have Manny's speed, but doesn't have too. By boxing Pacquiao he could easily given him a tough fight being a mobile target and pumping out that jab, which is one of the best.

 

Drained, IMO, is what Oscar was when he fought Pac. Drained, TO ME, is when a fighter cuts so much weight that they lose too much natural hydration and muscle. Every fighter is almost at 0% body fat, so the only thing left to lose is water and muscle. Once they drain all of that water (which ranges from 5 to even 20 lbs) the only thing left to lose is muscle. Since, and I'm assuming, Cotto was already cutting minimum weight down to 147 (or 146), that extra pound was muscle.

If Cotto were fighting at 147, he wouldn't have to work harder to lose that extra pound or two, therefore he'd rehydrate more and have probably an extra pound of muscle, which is a lot (Look at a pound of meat). He'd be able to absorb more punishment and dish out a little more. At 145, he loses that little extra that he normally has. So 145 isn't enough to drain him but it's enough to negate some of his power. If it didn't make a difference, they wouldn't have requested it. The fact that he fought at 140 is irrelevant to this fight because he no longer could fight there.

Now let's say, for example, the fight took place at 142 or even 140; then yes, I'd claim he was drained. My whole point from the beginning was that there was no size advantage to Cotto, at least nothing significant, and that looking at the video, Pacquiao looks "bigger", in a relative term. Since their dimensions are damn near identical and the weight negated much of Cotto's advantage, they were almost the same. I think Pacquiao won because he's the better fighter and if the fight had taken place at 147 the result would have MOST LIKELY been the same.

boxingmaster is just butt hurt because he think I am discrediting Pac's win, but I am not. I am discrediting claims that Pacquiao fought a bigger man.

 

You started the argument... because you misunderstood.