Pacquiao + Counterpuncher= Mediocre Pacquiao

If Pac is unable to walk thru Floyds punches like most of his fans believe, then what is his plan b,c,d,e, etc. Can he make adjustments or outthink Floyd in the ring. I have made the same point, Pac has only faced left handed fighters in his last three fights. Hatton,Oscar, and Cotto. Neither had a right hand, specifically the straight right hand. (A southpaws kryptonite). I believe many of you Pac fans are underestimating how strong Floyd is. Hatton stated how strong Floyd is. Pac fans are stating that Floyd could not knock Marquez out, has Marquez ever been knocked out? If Pac is such the monster proclaimed, how come he could not knock Marquez out? Because according to Pac fans he is so much faster and hit harder than Floyd. How does Marquez nulify this? A bigger fact is, it can be done. I cant wait for the fight because Floyd has been wanting this for a long time. I just hope Pac fans give him his credit after the fight.

 

No dout PBF will land that overhand right but at the same time pac will land his left. Which punch is more effective? Zab knocked PBF down with his left and i think it safe to say Pac has more power than Zab. Cotto was only stunded by Zab while pac knocked him down twice. Another question is if Pac can eat PBF punches he can take one to give one. Kinda like what happen in the Hatton vs Malanaggi fight where hatton knew he couldt get hurt and basically bum rushed his ass.The thing about Pac is he doesnt fight you straight up he punches from all different angles while moving in differnt directions.I think there is more variable that Pac wins.

 

There's a lot wrong with this, starting with the fact that Zab knocked Floyd down with a right hook and one that caught Floyd off balance while he was coming in. It was a flash KD.

The other is that Floyd will have a sizable reach advantage. It's hard to trade shots with a guy who has much better reach than you, since his punch lands before yours ever gets there. That's a good way to get beat up all night long.

Floyd may not be the strongest puncher out there, but he's not Malinaggi. He can sit down on his punches and make them hurt. There's a reason what we haven't seen anyone walk through Floyd yet. Pac didn't walk through Marquez because Marquez was tagging him with clean, flush shots on the chin. He walked through Cotto because Cotto didn't have the speed or accuracy to land anything that Pac wasn't ready for, nor the defensive ability to keep Pac from hitting him in return.

 

Good post and I agree with your conclusion.

 

A masterpiece by Marquez. Thanks for posting.

 

My point is there is more tangibles that pac will win this fight. The only way I see PBF winning this is if he gets on his bike and counters successfully. (judging by Pacs past fights I believe Pac cab take PBF best punch). So, I dont think PBF can KO pac. If they trade Pac KO PBF. If pac is able to get PBF to the ropes and throw combinations like castillo did (PBF real only lose) Pac will KO PBF. If Pac can eat PBF punches, PBF will lose this fight. i am looking at this fight logically but would like to hear other opinions.

 

lets get one thing straight..PBF is hittable watch castillo vs Mayweather 1. Mayweather lost that fight and was hit numerous time by a slower handed castillo
Jabs Castillo Mayweather Landed Thrown Percent % % Power Punches Castillo Mayweather Landed 173 66 Thrown 377 151 Percent 46% 44% Total Punches Castillo Mayweather Landed 203 157 Thrown 506 448 Percent 40% 35%


http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:292245

 

Show me a recent fight where he didn't, rather.

 

i think it was a 126/130 version of jmm which is not bloated and has his speed.

 

If you're so keen on boxrec perhaps you should check who has the win in their column next to that fight? Then check the date on that fight. Then check the rematch. Then note that it was Floyd's first fight moving up to 135 against a much larger man. Then note that he had an injured shoulder. Then note that Castillo was, for whatever he faults, a much better inside fighter than Pac. Then check for your point again.

If the best "blueprint" you can find is the one where Floyd moved up a weightclass to fight a guy 10 pounds heavier on fightnight, with an injury, won the fight, then won the rematch, and even then it was 7 years ago, then you may need to look for another blueprint.

Marquez-Pac II was in 2008 and people constantly say that it's irrelevant because Pac has improved so much. Yet no one considers that Mayweather might have improved somewhat over nearly the DECADE since Castillo 1?

 

Every one except Baldomir and maybe DLH?

 

You make good points but you are clearly a PBF fan. I have rewatched Mayweather vs Castillo 1 and 2,Corley,baldomir,judah,hatton, odlh and marquez fights. The more i study tape the more I think pac can beat PBF. SHoulder injury and moving up in weight is no excuse. Wats next he lost cause he had a cut on his eye? Or the only reason pac lost cause he was moving up in weight?Let me ask you a question if PBF didnt think he lost do you think he would of gave castiilo the rematch?

 

LOL, you bring no conclusive argument how Pac will beat Pbf. Zero, nil..........you are a Pac fan and thats it , he retires tomorrow or gets cold cocked a couple o f times in a row and you are gone and never be heard again. Fact.

Fact: Pac no likey straight right hands or right hands period.

Fact : Pac gets hit a lot when he cannot overwhelm or overpower his opponents.

Fact : Pac ain't moving his head and is wide open for countershots.

Fact : Pac is and always was a genuine WW. No more catchweight BS or a little guys needs a break when he moves up...........

Fact : he has been carefully matched to showcase his talents in his last few fights. Props to his promoter/trainer. However if you read the fine print, both Hatton and Cotto came of career defining beatings aka KO losses and lost several steps as clearly evidenced in their post loss fights.

Fact : if Pac thinks he can stand toe to toe with top WW he is a Ko waiting to happen....

Fact : See above, Manny does not box for ****, he overpowers and overwhelms his opponents, when that scenerio does not work he is out of ANY answers see Morales or Marquez.

Fact : Pacs agression is a dream come true for Pbf...........if tired in survival mode walking punchbag Cotto can bust him up, all swollen and eardrum or so whta do you think the shots he ain't see coming will do.

Fact: Pbf can crack, not Hearns style but he WILL hurt you........he buckled the far fresher not weightdrained DLH with some single shots..........that is the reason he stopped walking in and abandoned the jab.

Fact: Pacs power while good is completly overrated . If Hearns Tito or a prime DLH would have landed those shots on Cotto he would have needed the Ring doc to get up way before the 12th.

Fact : Pbf would have beat Cotto from two weeks ago without breaking a sweat, a complete shutout . You could have counted on one hand how many shots Cotto would have landed.

Fact: You will be in for a rude awakening when the fight actually happens and the fiction aka hype is seperated from reality. A replay of the Morales and Marquez fights without the knockdowns, no switching southpaw to give him free shots and a bleeding all swollen up lunging in Manny on the losing end of a loopsided decision or late tko.

 

This is the same or better version of Pacquiao that twice Ko'd Morales and who dominated MAB boxistically.

......we were hearing right before the Marquez rematch that Pacquiao would roll and then flatten Marquez in the same way he had done against Morales.....

.....the same thing we're hearing from you now that Pac has greatly improved now, we heard it all back then.....
.....and what happened?????

Look at the video sequences from the thread starter.
We're not talking about just a one round sequence as Pac had with his knockdown of Marquez in round 3.

What you see in that video piece from the thread starter is what Marquez did consistently to Pacquiao throughout the great majority of the rounds.

See it and enjoy Pacquiao mastering JMM with his face to Marquez' fists!

 

Even from the remtach the PAC we see today is a lot better than the PAC of 2 yrs ago. But you do have valid points!:good PAC in the past had a lot of trouble with JMM b/c he was a tremendous counter puncher and master boxer. PAC was 1 demensional and very much a one handed fighter in the first fght. The 2nd fight he was improving with the right hand but he was still dominant with the left. Now JMM did well......made the 2 fights close but he still was unalble to best PAC. Floyd will do much better but will also be facing a much better Manny.....So this fight will also be very close and competitive. I see Floyd winning a decision but in a very tough battle.