Pacquiao had 6 fights against ATGs and HOFers in their prime

GGG is a bum!

 

What fighters say should usually be taken with a pinch of salt - especially so pre-fight. Dawson told us 168 wasn't a problem FFS.

 

Coyyo always had an excuse when he lost it was always someone elses fault usually his many trainers or non existant loaded gloves LOL

 

Tony Margarito took Cotto's soul He took everything Cotto had, grinned at him & beat him into submission

 

Let’s be consistent, how do you have Hatton there but not Bradley? Bradley has a way better resume than Hatton, and was arguably #1 at 140 & 147 (2nd time) when he fought him.

 

Cotto said it post fight, so did his trainer.

Cotto’s last fight he weighed 146. Nobody gonna convince me that an extra 1lb made the world of a difference specially when him and his trainer said otherwise.

That same cotto would go on to give Floyd one of his toughest fights (according to Floyd) and become MW champ and avenge his loss to Margo.

 

Mostly true, but Oscar outpointed Tito, regardless of how the judges saw it.

It's not even controversial.

I would also say he won the second Mosley fight but I agree that one's debatable.

So he's 1 or 2 out of 3 in what you term his defining fights.

 

All of that could be explained - Floyd fought him at a weight he was clearly comfortable making, he became middleweight champ in incredibly fortuitous circumstances against a crippled fighter looking to cash out and avenged his lost to a much faded version of Margo that still gave him a lot of trouble.

And if these extra few pounds don't make a difference then fighters wouldn't ask for them. I think it made some difference but not as much as Pac haters would like to pretend it did as it obviously wasn't the reason Pac won, he was simply the superior fighter and would of dominated the fight at 147 anyway.

 

Agree. Incredible resumee.
I find his run from Morales 2-margarito to be suspect as hell for the same reasons malignaggi says but whatever.

The level he competes at today is also very impressive for his age and size. His career reminds me of Durans in the way he fought guys way above his natural weight into his 40s



DLH should be 2-1 however against Mosley and Trinidad, I also consider Vargas and quartey to be in that same class(at their peak, even if they didn't have longevity
) and I'm not even a big fan of Oscar but he has an amazing resumee as well.



Cottos record is not as good as Pac and dlh's but I find his overall list of elite fighters he faced to be impressive as well, never a boring fight with him either.



Holyfield is another one.

Vargas fought everyone as well.

Mosley too.


These types of fighters don't get enough credit. Who cares about your 0 if you didn't fight anyone??

 

Margarita took all your sense of logic with a handshake and a smile.

 

It wasn’t an extra “few” pounds. It was 1lb less than his last fight. Really clutching at straws here.

 

It was 2lbs less than it should of been and yes at an elite level that can make a difference.

Fact is he never even attempted to make anywhere near that weight again afterwards and that alone should tell you something. But chill out, this isn't an attack on Pac just an acknowledgement that he was also willing to stack his deck whether he needed to or not.

 

His last fight he weighed 146 for comfortably. So it’s 1lb less than what he voluntarily weighed in for in his last fight. Gotta clutch those straws man.

And this is from pac coming off 140lbs which he weighed 138 for. So he went up 7lbs and cotto dropped 1lb. Yes extremely unfair.

There was nothing left for cotto at 147, that’s why he went up.

Pac never attempted to make 140 after Hatton, does that mean he desperately needed to move to 147 cos of weight management? Or he just wanted to cos more opportunities? He made 138/137 vs Hatton ffs. Guy could have easily still made LW, he only moved up to 147 for a money fight vs odlh.