Pacquiao had 6 fights against ATGs and HOFers in their prime

You're hilarious. Haven't you got someone who really disagrees with you to bother with this nonsense? I THINK PACQUIAO BEATS ANY VERSION OF COTTO.

Cutting extra weight is difficult and undoubtedly hinders performance. Why do you think Mayweather refused to shed an extra couple of pounds for Marquez and took a couple off of Alvarez?

Why you've brought up Pac weight and started throwing words like 'unfair' around is beyond me. What Pac's weight was has nothing to do with what I was saying which was - and here it is in the clearest possible way - that taking the extra 2lbs off would of def had affected Cotto. Do I think it changed the outcome of the fight? No but only an insecure fan would try to disregard it entirely which is what you're trying to do.

Oh and just FYI your assertion that Cotto had nothing left for him at 147 is completely ridiculous. Margarito was champ there and a rematch was something fans were definitely interested in seeing. Berto was seen as the next big thing. Everyone knew Mayweather could be lured back and would probably fight at welterweight so there was plenty of reason to stick around there rather than go up to fight the likes of Foreman and Mayorga.

 

I really dont care what you think whether Pac beats any version of Cotto or not, or you fully disagree with me or not.

I'm just point blank saying that the 1lb did not make any difference.

- Cotto weighed in 146 voluntarily in his last fight. Sure if Cotto missed his last 147 weight, had to drain down to 147, or barely made 147, I can see an excuse as to how he would struggle so hard to make 145. But the boy made 146, easy, and he agreed to 145, because he knew it would be easy.

- You insinuate that the 145 clause was so Pac can take advantage of Cotto. No. Pac was fighting at 135, moved up to 147 to fight ODLH for money. He beat ODLH so bad everyone thought it was a fluke over a dehydrated shot ODLH, therefore, even at 140, people were doubting if Pac can even beat Hatton. He was only a 1/2 favourite there. And he was still so light I think he weighed in 137/138 for a 140 fight.

So if you're naturally a LW, weighing in at 138 for a 140lb fight, barely a 140lb fighter, unsure as to whether you can compete at 147, what do you do? Meet in the middle right? Middle would have been 143, but he said ok 145. Nothing to do with taking advantage, he was testing the WW waters, and Cotto obliged.

- Cotto, and his trainer said they were fine with the weight BEFORE the fight, and AFTER the fight. If any of them wanted to make excuses post fight, they would have, but they said weight management went perfect.

- The idea that Cotto moved up because of weight management, theres no basis for that, he moved up because there was nothing left at 147. He got beat up by Margo, Pac and Clottey. He could beat easy guys like Foreman at 154 and rebuild and recover.

My assertion that 1lb made no difference has nothing to do with insecurity, I boxed, I drained weight to the point of looking like I came out of austwich camp, I know how much difference a few lbs make. But no matter what, if I made 146lb the fight before when you could have made 147lb, 1lb isn't gonna kill you. I'd understand if he drained down to 147, but he didnt, he comfortably made 146lb. I could **** 1lb in the morning, or at worst do a sauna. Cotto didnt even have to do any of that, no reports of last minute running with sweat jackets on or saunas.

ODLH had much more of a case with the reported IV plugs to rehydrate. Cotto had none, and he said so himself.

 

You're like talking to a brick wall. How you can categorically state that the extra weight made no difference with such certainty is laughable. You can get down to a weight ok - i.e. not have to nearly kill yourself but it still makes you uncomfortable. I don't know what part of this you can't get.

And Don Curry made weight comfortably one fight and then nearly killed himself to do it the next.

 

Then you're just guessing. How can you say it made a difference?

You know what else would make more of a difference? How he woke up that day, any niggling injuries, feeling strong that day? What he ate the night before. Mental state.

God theres about 100 factors that would be more important than that 1lb, but you keep clutching to that.

Came from Cotto and his trainer themselves, before and after the fight, weight management was perfect.

It's just ridiculous, complete guesswork on your part, at least I'm going by what Cotto and his trainer actually said, you're guessing because its mainstream boxing knowledge and cant think for yourself.

 

Clutching implies I have some stake in this. I don't. Whereas you in your pacman pyjamas clearly do.

I'm saying I think it's likely we would of see a slightly better Cotto at 147 than at 145. You don't agree as you think this is somehow denigrating one of your hero's best wins. As a fighter I like Pac. I'm a fan and this is a good win. I'm not just such a one eyed fanboy that I can't admit that the catchweight is worth noting.

I'd say the same about any other catchweight fight.

 

I don't even know what this has to do with Pac. Cotto could have fought Margo, Floyd or anyone else and I would say the exact same thing.

I've never claimed that Canelo was weight drained vs Floyd, I think Floyd would beat him all the same at 154.

I just don't buy the 1lb makes a difference. Its actually a joke. Some famous trainer/announcer makes a deal out of it and everyone else parrots it.

 

I guess what I'm saying is that when you claim to be impartial regarding Pac I don't believe you.

You can claim to be consensus smashing radical that doesn't take anything from other people all you want and I can say that I think additional weight cutting will have almost certainly taken a toll.

Anyway we've reached an impasse and I'm going to say good day to you here. Good luck running the Manny Pacquiao appreciation society.

 

Ive known Tony since 1999 when he came as an unknown to fight Buck Smith wgo he K0;d in 4 So Ive known him since before you were born probably lol

 

omfg!!! If any WW so much as farts loud enough to be heard you have the peanut gallery immediately mentioning Spence. Give it a rest already.

 

There are Pacman's hard core fans in this forum.

 

Cotto being drained at 145 has been one of the biggest loads of crap in recent boxing history. Its as much bs as all this FlIVd small for a WW and could easily be fight at 140lbs yet couldnt make 144 for Marquez. gtfoh

 

This is Dick Riding Comment of the Year type stuff here buddy. Simmer down, put the meth pipe down, and realize the horse caca that just wiggled from your burnt finger tips to the keyboard to type that mess is wrong.

 

So you keep saying. Were you impressed by the size of his hands?

 

Pacquiao should retire this year. I'm so concerned about his health.

 

Question ?
Were you born an idiot or did you have a tragic accident ?? lol
I was most impressed by the way he could FIGHT !!!