Pacquiao has every right to say "no"

I have no agenda here, like both fighters dislike some things that both have done. In fact full disclosure I have two of those Nike "Pac-Man Knows" shirts, but this ****ing nuthugging/bashing is getting to be too much so I'll throw in my two cents.

1) Floyd Sr doesn't have any right. Floyd Jr, being an equal collaborator in the contract, has every right in the world to request certain stipulations, the same way that Manny requested a record penalty for coming in overweight. Is that penalty standard? Nope, but he's allowed to do it and he's allowed to pass on the fight if Floyd didn't want to agree. Same goes for testing.

2) The guy fighting him decided he was a special case, that's it. We don't have to understand, it's a request in contract negotiations, just like every other stipulation is (weight, location, glove size, etc). I think it should be universal in boxing in fact. Urine testing before and after camp is outdated and archaic. Holyfield and Moseley both juiced and neither was ever caught by the state of Nevada. Do you think that improving procedures to prevent steroid abuse is bad for the sport?

3) He's not a reliable source, hence the drug test. If we knew he was always right it wouldn't be necessary to test anyone. Arguing that he doesn't know whether Manny is juicing or not is really just an argument for the drug testing. Lack of concrete knowledge about fighters' chemistry is why we must test them.

Hope that helps. The more I think about this the more I think they're just building hype and the fight will go off without a hitch, at least I hope so. For the record I don't think that Manny is juicing, but I also think that asking for stricter testing is perfectly reasonable.

 

This is the head in the head in the sand attitude that bothers me. The burden of proof is on the Mayweather's they are trying to prove there accusations by demanding more extensive testing. What do you want them to do sneak into his camp and take blood when PAc is sleeping? Look at the logic in your arguement.

 

It's not like PAC said "NO"! He said Yes.....and he said YES again....and again to almost all of the demands. but if sticking to the same analogy that was used about the "girlfriend"....it would get tiresome having to be accused, falsely to begin with....then have to agree to the demands to clear your name...Which PAC did....then when you agreed to the intial terms....yoru girl then asks for radom lie detector tests....You say yes...then she wants you to take STD tests...you say yes then all the sudden she wants you to also take a drug test.atsch

 

They know that they can't prove this to be true....I don't think they ever thought they could to begin with, which is why they are being so difficult with demand after demand when PAC agrees and then agrees.....it's just an up hill battle trying to make a fight happen with a camp that doesn't really want the fight....but wants less to have to admit it to the world...they rather force the other side to throw their hands up in frustation and do what they really wanted......to call the fight off.

 

Yes I know that is what you are saying but what I am saying is that this type of testing is beaten all the time. **** the blood testing floyd is talking about probably gets beaten all time. If your putting blind faith in the commision's idea of what constitutes a sufficient level of testing then your being nieve.

My point is that either you know that commision level testing isn't very good and you don't care if pac's on drugs. Or you haven't figured out that people beat drug tests al the time.

 

If thats the case then all pac has to do is agree to the testing then Mayweather would have no place to go with this. Again whats the big deal?

 

It has to start one way, why not have the two best boxers in the world show they're willing to submit to the testing and lead by example. Maybe the various commissions will see the benefit.

 

CHAR IF UR THEORY IS RIGHT THAN FLOYD WILL HAVE TO HAVE KNOWN THE WHOLE TIME THAT MANNY WOULD REFUSE IN THE FIRST PLACE...THERE IS NO WAY FLOYD COULD KNOW THIS.....HOW WOULD FLOYD KNOW THAT MANNY WOULD SAY NO TO WHAT WAS SUPOSED TO BE SUCH A "SMALL" DETAIL IN THE NEGOTIATIONS? EXPLAIN THAT:think

 

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Hey if he's pissed off about it he should do what some other guy on this forum was saying and demand more money for the inconvenience of it all. That would at least show that he isn't affraid of the testing and would show his annyoance at mayweather's constant demands. Believe me it would defininetly make mayweather think twice before he made another stupid demand. My opinion is that Pacquiao is normally completely on top of his negotiations. We'll see in the next couple of days if he's prepared to deal with this. If not it'll be ashame.

 

This is truly a lame analogy and a bull**** excuse. It's just as lame as Bob Arum saying Manny doesn't want to have his blood drawn during camp because Manny is "superstitious". Do you have any idea how freaking absurd this sounds? All of this only makes Manny look like he has sometime to hide while your poor attempt to deflect the real issue about Manny avoiding a possibly incriminating drug test onto PBF is repugnant. But that's what liars and cheats do, blame someone else for their indiscretions.