Pacquiao hints at gameplan. Is his logic right?

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  1. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think this interview was extremely overlooked. You can't find it on the internet, at least I couldn't. I luckily had it recorded. It was Sports center's interview with him during their press conference.

    Pay attention closely to what Pacquiao says.

    "He's good at defense, but he's not throwing a lot of punches. And, the more he hits, the more I can hit him more [translate, the more he opens himself up, the more opportunities I have to hit him]. And, that's my thing. I'm throwing a lot of punches, go inside (feint, attack), and go to his side (slip out)."

    So, overall, he said was there's no way for Mayweather to win against him.

    The argument was Floyd is/will be either
    A) too defensive and won't throw enough punches to outpoint Manny, especially when Manny is the one throwing a lot
    B) if he does throw with Manny, then he'll still lose because that gives Manny more opportunities to hit and hurt him rather than if he's being defensive

    Sooo... in conclusion, he feels he'll outpoint him if Floyd's too defensive and hurt him if he tries to engage. He seriously feels it's a no-win situation for Mayweather.



    Do you find his logical reasonable? I won't lie, the argument that he's using for himself is what I've always said to why I think Pacquiao's style gives Floyd fits.
     
  2. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If May can slow the pace down like JMM did, he will win. You can slow the pace down with timing and distance. Pac can't throw because Floyd is out of range, and when he gets frustrated and sells out he gets tagged therefore stops doing it. When he finally gets close Floyd clinches, and they separate and repeat.

    This could be a very dull fight to a Floyd UD.

    I do hope Pac and Roach have considered this and have a good plan around this.
     
  3. JV28

    JV28 Active Member Full Member

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    If Marquez was able to limit Pacquiao's output through movement and the fear of being counterpunched, then Floyd can do that to Manny too. Manny seems to think that Floyd is just all defense and barely any offense, but Floyd only needs to move and throw accurate and stinging counters to make Manny think before throwing, and by playing a thinking man's game with Floyd in the ring, that will be his downfall IMO.
     
  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Marquez slowed the pace with Pacquiao because Manny doesn't know how to cut off the ring.
     
  5. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good points, now a few points for you to think about

    1) When has Manny ever respected an opponent's power?

    2) Manny still averaged around 500-600 punches in 3rd fight with Marquez, his norm

    3) Will sitting back and throwing timely counters be enough activity to win you rounds against someone throwing 56 punches/round? (The answer to that is no, reason why Marquez lost in the 3rd fight).
     
  6. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Few points/questions

    1. When has a fighter ever been successful clinching Pacquiao?

    2. When has a fighter ever been successful using their longer reach against Pacquiao?
     
  7. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Erik Morales imposed his size on Pacquiao successfully. Pacquiao is a little man. I wouldn't be surprised if Floyd tries to do the same.
     
  8. Bollywooden

    Bollywooden Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Range is key, there were rounds where Bradley controlled range against Pacquiao, rounds he won. Floyd will seek to emulate.
     
  9. Scrap21

    Scrap21 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Absolutely. How else you gonna beat mayweather? Boxing like that dumbass canelo? You have to outwork a guy like mayweather.
     
  10. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A lot of caveats in that fight, but I do think Pacquiao didn't know how to negate a jab in the fight. Not so much size because size really hasn't ever been a problem for him.

    After the first Morales fight though, Roach taught him how to negate the jab and ever since then, he's dominated the opponents who have tried to use it against him.
     
  11. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He lost it though, and as I've heard an ****yst say... once you give Pacquiao his preferred range, it's almost impossible to take it away.
     
  12. Bollywooden

    Bollywooden Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Round 11 of Bradley-Pacquiao 1
     
  13. JV28

    JV28 Active Member Full Member

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    1) Never, but Manny somewhat gets his output limited when he's up against a "stick-and-mover. Floyd is twice the mover that Marquez was, and unlike Marquez, is a counterpuncher who doesn't counter in the eye of the storm. Manny will have to find a way to catch Floyd without being caught clean and hard.

    2) Yes, but how many of those punches landed, and furthermore, of those punches that did land, how many were clean and effective? Manny can throw that much against Floyd, but if most of them miss or are rolled by Floyd, then his counters will most certainly look more effective and clean. However, certain judges DO favor fighters who show aggression/coming forward so we'll have to see come fight night.

    3) See my first point, Floyd has the tools to limit Manny's output. He can move, counter and dodge/weave/roll, he can clinch Manny because most certainly he'll be stronger in the clinch, and he can actually fight Manny on the inside and smother him. The question is, can Manny find a way to cut off Floyd and blitz him with his punches without being seriously countered or smothered?
     
  14. Typhoon

    Typhoon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    JMM made Pac throw a lot and open himself up. I don't think JMM did well vs Pac cause he slowed the pace. That 4th fight was a frenzy of punches, Pac's recklessness whilst going for the KO was his undoing.

    after watching Floyd hug and grope Maidana 70 times in 12 rounds, i'm becoming increasingly concerned with Floyd clinching Pac all fight, frustrating him. Referee will need to take points off cause this is just unacceptable tactics by the so called P4P king. We'll see, i just hope clinching won't be used much...
     
  15. JV28

    JV28 Active Member Full Member

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    If Floyd's legs are really not what they used to be, then this is how Floyd will try to win the fight, by smothering Manny, because Manny is useless in the clinch and has virtually no inside game whatsoever.