Pacquiao: "I Don't Need To Fight Mayweather"

Hey why do they even allow trainers to inspect each other's gloves? Why, because a man's life and livelihood are on the line. Asking for stringent testing is a fighter's choice. It is also a fighter's choice to refuse. That is not what Manny did. He lied, flip-flopped, and ran.

And no, it isn't sufficient. If it was Mosley, Marion Jones, Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGuirre, etc... would have been caught the same way guys in the Tour de France get caught constantly.

 

Absolutley not.

It doesn't matter if they want to take blood, urine, a stool, hair folicle or anything else - It is how effective and what those tests are targeted at.

I've read TONNES on the subject ever since watching a doco called "Bigger Faster Stronger" about 2 years ago and just because a needle is used, it doesn't make it a "stricter" test.

I think the danger is the precendent of fighters determining the rules on what is an inherrant failure of the SAC in whatever state to provide adequate testing in the first place.

 

This is semi-intelligent psycho babble.

Every expert on the subject of doping came out in Mayweather's favor. The ONLY people siding with Manny on this are business interests. The shamed AC and Arum.

Manny changed his reasons for not testing a few times and eventually walked away under the cover of a bald faced lie.

No matter how anyone was tested up to that point how on this Earth can you fault a man for wanting the most stringent testing for the most lucrative and meaningful fight of his career?

The entire position against testing is ignorant.

 

Exactly what is the Olympic-style drug testing that has brought negotiations between [url]Manny Pacquiao[/url] and Floyd Mayweather to a halt?


Unlike the sole urine tests issued by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, [url]Olympic[/url] testing includes blood.


The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, based in Colorado Springs, was contacted by Golden Boy Promotions, which is representing Mayweather for the proposed March 13 bout in Las Vegas, about performing the tests.


"There's a number of potent performance-enhancing drugs you can only find in blood," says Travis Tygart, CEO of USADA. Those PEDs including Human Growth Hormone, certain forms of EPO and synthetic hemoglobin. "If you want the most effective program, it's the world program. … The world's experts know you have to collect blood and urine."


Unlike urine, blood can reveal if there's evidence of drug use by analyzing the bodily functions that may have been altered even though the particular drug used is no longer present.


Pacquiao has agreed to additional testing — beyond the NSAC's requirements — in January when the fight was expected to be made official, 30 days before the bout (Feb. 13) and immediately after the fight.


Tygart insists that setting blackout dates for testing is inadequate, and educating athletes on why that can't be done is important. "If you give a blackout date, there's plenty of things you can do to cheat and get away with it," he says of the potential to use masking agents. "That's why it's not allowed."


Cyclists at the [url]Tour de France[/url], for instance, are tested the morning of their events under the code establish by the World Anti-Doping Agency, which sets the rules for banned substances that are followed by USADA and other international testing groups. Speedskaters, skiers and cricket and rugby players also are tested in similar fashion.


The blood is taken from the arm and it's less than one teaspoon of about 380 teaspoons in the body.


Said Tygart: "We don't do anything that can potentially impact an athlete's performance. … It's a matter of learning about the process. There's just a lack of the knowledge about these issues."



[url]http://www.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2009-12-23-olympic-style-testing-the-last-hurdle_N.htm[/url]

 

double doublington

 

I'm not against testing - I'm saying it has to be done properly and orgainsed properly -

ToonToon refers to a number of sports that all have up to date guidelines on how to test.

It's boxings disperate orgainisation that is preventing that - We don't have FIFA, or an overarching body like Cycling, world rugby or other sports have to make a standard.

This is why Floyd can have numbing agents injected ahead of a fight in Nevada but not California.

"Olympic style" testing is not infallable either - The rules should not be determined by the MSAC - It needs to be done GLOBALLY for the good of all fighters, not just give: depending on your position on this fight, a reason for Pacquiao to look dodgy or for Mayweather to duck.

 

So your flawed reasoning is that if we can't catch all cheaters then we should stand by and do nothing. All the while not letting participants who have the means to catch cheaters or confirm the fairness of the sport exercise the right to do so? Silly.

Your half-baked opinion is ignorant of the source of funding for testing (promotors) and the realities of shopping fights to commissions. The testing is too cost prohibitive to be implemented on a commission wide level. If the NSAC alone implemented it its only leverage would be tax status. It would probably lose tons of fights.

Your silly theor about the Xylocane might hold weight if Mayweather was a banging power puncher. It is more likely that Mayweather is avoiding taxes and biased judging. It also exposes your real position.

It can't be universal unless organizations with WORLD jurisdiction implement it. That can only happen at the sanctioning body. So without a league or a sanctioning body that will step up the ONLY way to do it is on a FIGHT BY FIGHT BASIS.

 

actually, the sanctioning bodies could implement the protocol, wherein a champion must subject himself to random in or out of competition blood and urine testing, as long as he is holding the belt. Failure to comply would result in immediate removal of the belt.

 

Pac doesn't need Floyd, Floyd needs Pac. Pac has already fought top guys in his division and above.

 

Pacquiao.. YES you do!!!

i dont care bout whateva reasosn didnt make the fight earlier in the year or who's to blame... but whenever the 2 best pound for pound and arguably to of the greatest ever lurk the same division and are both in their primes then in my opinion (and im sure most boxing fans) they have to fight each other or forever tarnish their legacy!!!

so Pacman sayin he doesn't need to fight PBF is ludacris in my books!!!

 

And do it nationally and at least TRY to come up with a national standard where it pertains to this serious issue in the sport.

Fight by fight basis leaves NO standard and makes it a joke and I would ask how many fights we will now loose as a result of disagreements on dope testing, which is my central point in all my psudeo-intelligent psycho babble , there needs to be a more uniform approach to ANY issue that involves the health of the fighters.

 

How can it be organized when there is:

-- No boxing league and boxers union
-- No governing body with world jurisdiction

Your argument makes no sense with boxing's current organizational structure. The only option is on a fight per fight basis.

The numbing agents are used in training not competition. I can't find explicit bans on any website. If you can, please do link. FMJ fights in Nevada to avoid income tax and have luxury events.

Nobody said it was infallible. The details SHOULD be determined by the participants in the fight. In this case, if it is done globally most amateur and entry level participants will either pay to play or get nothing.

Manny is dodgy. Mayweather "ducked", but gave in 50/50 to EVERY demand and was not the one to stop negotiations? There is only one perspective. The rational one.

 

Exactly. Only a governing body with world wide reach could do it. Problem is this. If the test costs $5K USD to do properly, how would you evenly distribute the cost?

As it stands now guys lose their belts due to not being able to afford sanctioning fees. This would just compound that.

This is why asking for testing in this case was exactly the right thing to do. To force that economic hardship on to ALL fighters is wrong. The testing costs would have been a drop in the bucket to these guys. It would put many small events in the red.

 

How much are you betting on the fight?

 

Agreed.