Pacquiao is 10 weeks away from being on the top 10 p4p list for 10 YEARS!

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  1. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    He's already been crowned fighter of the decade anything else is just icing on the cake..
     
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  2. GOW7

    GOW7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Manny is played out and was exposed as an media created hype job who mostly was supported by casual fans. His accomplishments are overblown as well like 8 weight division champ which is a huge joke. His FOTD award was just a popularity contest because everyone hated Mayweather who beat the same fighters he did when they weren't dead men. Please let Manny rest in peace.
     
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  3. Ripper11

    Ripper11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1998

    1. Oscar De La Hoya
    2. Roy Jones Jr.
    3. Evander Holyfield
    4. Felix Trinidad
    5. Mark Johnson
    6. Shane Mosley
    7. Ricardo Lopez
    8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    9. Naseem Hamed
    10. Johnny Tapia

    1999

    1. Roy Jones Jr.
    2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    3. Felix Trinidad
    4. Oscar De La Hoya
    5. Shane Mosley
    6. Mark Johnson
    7. Ricardo Lopez
    8. Erik Morales
    9. Bernard Hopkins
    10. Stevie Johnston

    2000

    1. Shane Mosley
    2. Felix Trinidad
    3. Roy Jones Jr.
    4. Oscar De La Hoya
    5. Diego Corrales
    6. Naseem Hamed
    7. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    8. Lennox Lewis
    9. Erik Morales
    10. Bernard Hopkins

    2001

    1. Shane Mosley
    2. Bernard Hopkins
    3. Roy Jones Jr.
    4. Marco Antonio Barrera
    5. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    6. Felix Trinidad
    7. Oscar De La Hoya
    8. Ricardo Lopez
    9. Kostya Tszyu
    10. Erik Morales

    2002

    1. Bernard Hopkins
    2. Roy Jones Jr.
    3. Marco Antonio Barrera
    4. Vernon Forrest
    5. Oscar De La Hoya
    6. Kostya Tszyu
    7. Erik Morales
    8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    9. Lennox Lewis
    10. Shane Mosley

    2003

    1. Roy Jones Jr.
    2. Bernard Hopkins
    3. Shane Mosley
    4. Oscar De La Hoya
    5. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    6. Manny Pacquiao
    7. Kostya Tszyu
    8. Erik Morales
    9. James Toney
    10. Antonio Tarver

    2004

    1. Bernard Hopkins
    2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    3. Kostya Tszyu
    4. Ronald (Winky) Wright
    5. Manny Pacquiao
    6. Juan Manuel Marquez
    7. Marco Antonio Barrera
    8. Erik Morales
    9. Glen Johnson
    10. Antonio Tarver

    2005

    1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    2. Ronald (Winky) Wright
    3. Marco Antonio Barrera
    4. Ricky Hatton
    5. Manny Pacquiao
    6. Erik Morales
    7. Juan Manuel Marquez
    8. Rafael Marquez
    9. Jose Luis Castillo
    10. Zab Judah

    2006

    1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    2. Manny Pacquiao
    3. Ronald (Winky) Wright
    4. Jermain Taylor
    5. Bernard Hopkins
    6. Marco Antonio Barrera
    7. Rafael Marquez
    8. Ricky Hatton
    9. Jose Luis Castillo
    10. Joe Calzaghe

    2007

    Doug Fischer - Maxboxing.com
    1. Floyd Mayweather
    2. Manny Pacquiao
    3. Joe Calzaghe
    4. Juan Manuel Marquez
    5. Bernard Hopkins
    6. Israel Vazquez/Rafael Marquez
    8. Miguel Cotto
    9. Ivan Calderon
    10. Winky Wright
     
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  4. Holy Grail

    Holy Grail Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You forgot to continue

    2008

    1. Manny Pacquiao
    2. Juan Manuel Marquez
    3. Joe Calzaghe
    4. Bernard Hopkins
    5. Israel Vazquez
    6. Antonio Margarito
    7. Rafael Marquez
    8. Miguel Cotto
    9. Ivan Calderon
    10. Ricky Hatton


    Floyd isn't on it. Guess he loses and Manny is going to break a new record.
     
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  5. nes01

    nes01 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's cool that that's your opinion. It really is. OK so he didnt really win the FOTD award - it was a popularity contest. He wasnt really a 8 weight division champ (lineal in 4) - that a myth spread by the media in lieu of a joke. He didnt really TKO Barrera and Morales - they both had offdays. However you wanna sell it.

    But ultimately your minority opinion wont factor into how history will see Pacquiao. Only his vast and deep accomplishments will. In boxing, it's all about the accomplishments.
     
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  6. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    :lol: :good
     
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  7. nes01

    nes01 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You totally didnt get what I did. I was drawing a line of logic that you would have to agree with in order to be consistent with yourself. I said IF u want to consider DLH a full win for Floyd (as you said), then you'd have to do the same for Pacquiao. In reality of course I dont think Pac's win was as good, and of course I dont think Floyd's win is a full win. DLH was clearly and significantly past prime for Floyd and a shadow of himself for Pacquiao. And I also dont get why you suggest that DLH was not past prime for Floyd because he beat Mayorga? That's a weird thing to say.

    Ok fine if YOU think Castillo is to be rated the same or better than Barrera. Obviously youre not very aware of who Barrera is to boxing people. Barrera will so, so very easily go down as greater than Castillo. This is getting unreasonable.
     
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  8. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm understand that clearly that is not a prime Hoya but if you can't understand the difference between facing a guy coming off a big win and being top 2 in a weight class compared to facing that same guy coming off a loss and being unranked everywhere clearly they are not the same situation.

    As for Barerra/Castillo Barerra is more popular that doesn't make him better look at it like this the best fighter Castillo fought is better than the best fighter Barrera fought and considering a lot of people think Castillo beat Mayweather in the 1st fight his best win is better than Barrera's. Saying Castillo is an ATG is not taking away from Barrera place in history but this gross under rating of Mayweathers opponents has to stop. Its crazy that Pacquiao can fight guys coming directly from losses and its no big deal yet Mayweather consistantly fights Champion after Champion most of whom haven't loss in years leading up to the fight and all you hear is he loss to so an so. Castillo has the best resume LW has seen in almost 20 years he's an ATG accept it and give respect.
     
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  9. Ripper11

    Ripper11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yeah Floyd retired. I don't see how the hell Manny can be rated on anybody's p4p list right now when he's 1-2 in his last 3 fights and just got KTFO.

    Notice Roy Jones didn't stay on the list after he got knocked out
     
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  10. Holy Grail

    Holy Grail Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You obviously DKNSAB. Why are you even on this forum? Even your hero Broner thinks Pacquiao is in top 3. Since we're using official P4P lists (not our opinions), Manny is breaking a new record because Floyd ran from the sport to "retire" and duck fighters in their prime.

    Link to Broner your hero: youtube.com/watch?v=EKgC9Lu2rRQ
     
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  11. War-Lord

    War-Lord Active Member Full Member

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    Who's fighter of the decade?
     
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  12. Ripper11

    Ripper11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Broner isn't my hero. I'm more of a fan of Paulie than Broner.

    and yes Manny's on the official p4p list. I can also say Floyd beat p4p rated Guerrero, Canelo, Marquez, Hatton, Mosley since 2007
     
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  13. nes01

    nes01 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes you can. Floyd did beat those guys since 2007. This thread wasnt meant to be about Manny v Floyd. This thread was just to point out another pretty awesome and unprecedented achievement of Pacquiao's, so long as he gets past Rios. Kinda adds some significance to the Rios fight, even though I fully expect Manny to stop him.
     
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  14. nes01

    nes01 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What made you think this? When I said (quoted): "DLH was clearly and significantly past prime for Floyd and a shadow of himself for Pacquiao". Did that make you think I said Pacquiao's win and Floyd's win are equal?

    Or maybe when i said: "In reality of course I dont think Pac's win was as good (as Floyd's)". Maybe that meant that Pac's win as equal to Floyd's win? Several times now you have made things that clearly havent been said.
     
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  15. nes01

    nes01 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Im not debating with you as to whether Castillo is greater than Barrera. This has become too unreasonable, and it seems you have an agenda. 99% or maybe even 100% of the boxing experts (and fans) know that Barrera is greater than Castillo and that's good enough for me.
     
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