Pacquiao is clearly the best fighter of this generation

I think Floyd is one of the very best of his generation along with Pac bu the BIG BIG BIG difference is the excitement Pac brings.

Whereas Pac is probably the most exciting ever, Floyd is probably one of the boringest ever.

 

I wouldn't call Mayweather boring, you just have to appreciate the defensive side of boxing, it's like appreciating the wrestling side of UFC.

 

Just think of it this way.

Most if not all of Pac's fights I must have watched at least 10x.

I watched all of Floyd's fights when it happened-just that I am intrigued of the outcome. But I can not remember ever re-watching any of them. :-((

 

This has nothing to do with Floyd vs. Pacquiao, this has to do with Pacquiao alone. But to humor you, lets break down what you've said.

CORRECTION Floyd fought Oscar after he BEAT Ricardo Mayorga in impressive fashion. Floyd moved up in weight to fight Oscar at Oscar's OPTIMAL WEIGHT, and weight class in which he fought for over 8 years. WTF does Felix Sturm, a MIDDLEWEIGHT who Oscar moved up in weight to fight(and looked grotesquely out of shape against) have to do with anything? You are seriously reaching. Pacquiao fought an Oscar who had a rough fight with Stevie Forbes, a fight after which Oscar was considered to have been washed up. Freddie Roach stated that he considered Oscar washed up, which is why he even ventured to put Manny in there with him. On top of that, Manny fought a weight drained, dehydrated Oscar.

CORRECTION Floyd fought a 43-0 Hatton after one of the most impressive wins of his career against an old Jose Luis Castillo. He fought a Hatton who's chin had never been touched. Pacquiao fought a Hatton who's chin had been touched, who switched trainers and tried to reinvent himself unsuccessfully.

Zab Judah was coming off a loss to Baldomir. Zab however, is a guy who doesn't seem to 'get up' for lesser fights as he does for bigger ones. Zab looked as good in that ring as I'd ever seen him. I can't say the same for Oscar and Hatton.

Corrales when he was about to go to jail? That's just completely stupid, and out of context of what I mean by exploitable advantages. When I speak of exploitable advantages, I mean fighting old on-their-way-out fighters, washed up opponents, guys coming of devastating loses, and weight drained opponents, exploits which Pacquiao has had since fighting DeLaHoya, and even before that. How about the fact that Corrales was top 3 pound for pound at the time he fought Floyd? Untouched, unfettered, with all the confidence that comes with being an extremely hard punching top P4P fighter who is 33-0 with 28 KO's?

Sure Marquez moved up in weight, but it wasn't "two" weight classes. Two weight classes would have been at the welterweight limit, not a 142 pound catch weight. Floyd certainly did have advantages in this fight, no need to argue that point. It was still risky after a 24 month layoff to fight the number 3 or 4 P4P fighter in boxing.

With Barrera, that was not Pacquiao's his first go round at 130 pounds. Any interpreted disadvantage from that is mute. Moving BACK up in weight is not the same as moving up in weight for the FIRST time.

He moved up in weight to fight Morales and lost. Whats you're point?

He moved up in weight(8 pounds) to fight Oscar and got stronger. Oscar moved down in weight(10 pounds) to fight Manny and got weaker.

Him and Hatton were basically the same size, not valid.

You saying this doesn't make it true. Only Pacquiao fanboys would see that as 'fact'. Boxing experts across the globe don't acknowledge that to be true.

I like Manny Pacquiao and have nothing against him. He's always been an impressive fighter and he has a crowd pleasing style. But in no way shape or form is any person justified in saying that he is "clearly the best fighter of this generation". The FACT is that NOBODY even considered Pacquiao in the fighter of the decade conversation until he beat DeLaHoya, Hatton and Cotto and it is those fights in which Pacquiao had advantages that Roach ensured he had. Manny is not a lock for sh%t until he beats Floyd Mayweather... that's the fact. And besides that, time will tell why he walked away from 40 million because he needed 24 days to recover from a drug test for PED's.

 

I heard a rumour that when Manny was out running he slipped on some ****. When he took a closer look he realised it was Floyd's resumé.

 

No doubt about it.. he fought a lot of the top fighters from 122-147 and beat most of them only losing to the great erik morales.

122-ledwaba-sanchez-julio
126- barrera-marquez
130-barrera-morales-marquez
135-diaz
140-hatton
145-cotto-147 clottey welterweight

 

me accusing julio cesar chavez of taking steroids and plaster hand wraps is just as valid as you accusing pac of taking peds. look how much punishment he took against taylor and kept coming forward, that **** was not natural.

 

Morales was over the hill when he beat Pacquiao, Morales next fight proved that, which prior to Morales-Pacquiao II.

 

I'm not talking about Morales second fight against Pacquiao, I'm talking about Morales losing to some bum after beating Pacquiao in their first fight prior to Pac/Morales II.

 

Great fighter yes entire generation no. He has been the consensus numer one for 2 or 3 years maximum. Ali and Louis and Holmes and Tyson and Robinson and Leonard dominated decades. Maybe if Manny does this for another 5 years and beats some more greats than sure but not yet. You have many other great fighters like Holy, Tyson, Whitaker, Chavez, Hopkins, Jones Jr, Oscar who in their primes were incredible and dominant. Manny has not done nearly enough just yet.

 

As long as you don't count skill. :yep

 

Pacquiao is the greatest of this generation.

 

Not even ****ing close. The guy's whole legacy is put into doubt. His failure to take random drug tests ruins it for him.