At some point you guys wil have to stop using the ****ing excuse that pac is not a welterweight. I don't give a **** what weight he came from, he has been moving gradually up in weight by his own choice. He has benefited from the ability to train, add muscle, and be properly nourished. He is a goddamn Welterweight...
I think MP is the most exciting and the best fighter of this generation. I think FM is the most skilled boxer of this gen.
Bad ****in example... Some would argue for Hearns. He went for all intent and purposes 1-1 with one of the greatest ever, and moved up and lost in one of the best fights to one of the greatest MW ever, and lost at a higher weight that was clearly above his best. Duran quit on his stool, got starched cold, and made excuses every time he lost. If there would have been an ESB back then, think what kind of criticism he would ave taken... But anyway, carry on.
Right now i cant argue against pac, but i think it depends what mayweather and him do from here on out, if Mayweather goes on to beat Mosley, Williams and Pac, then i think he is. I think the two are close, but yes right now i think Pac is the man.
They're not far away from PBF. Who did PBF ever fight that was on their level, and his own size? JLC and Corrales are close, but I don't think they're quite on the same level as a young MAB, EM or JMM. On the other issue brought up, PBF is roughly the same size as Pac. He was just about the same size at the same age, and he's probably about the same size now, I don't think PBF has ever been a true WW and he carries probably four or five pounds at least of gym muscle that he's able to trim off or add to at will. I put Pac above PBF, and clearly so, because he fought the best possible opponents at every weight he's ever been at, while PBF clearly has NOT. Well, except for 135 where he just made a little pit stop on his way up. Pac will clean out the WW division before PBF does, and PBF has been there a looong time. I don't think he would be fighting Mosely right now if Pac hadn't shamed him into it.
the best fighter is Floyd Mayweather, hands down the most exciting fighter is Manny Pacquiao, hands down
Whos the guy you're talking about that went 1-1 with Hearns that you say is one of the greatest ever?
OH ffs Bill no-one would type something that ******ed, (I hope not). I ment resume wise Morales and Barrera is better than Corrales and Castillo. Well the Barrera of the first fight and the Morales of 1&2 is better than any version of Corrales and Castillo imo.
Its easy to think he's a WW now cause he just beat Cotto's ass. But the fight was at a catchweight because at 147 Cotto would have had a huge size advantage. And before Cotto, Pac fought Hatton and weighed in at 138. When history looks back, noone will consider Pac to be a full sized WW, because he isn't one. He's the smallest guy in the WW division and he's smaller than alot of JrWW's too.
Leonard... I know the rematch was scored a draw, but no one in their right mind believes that... Which is why I said f"or all intents and purposes"... motha****a!:smoke
the VAST MAJORITY consider Duran a greater fighter than Hearns. I'm sure its well over 80%. Despite Hearns beating Duran worse than Floyd could beat Pac even in his dreams. So I'd say its a pretty damn good example
I have been blaming both men but I believe one didnt want the fight as much as the other did for the reason that he doesnt feel he will win... that guy is MP.