Pacquiao is enrolled on Vada 365/24-7 testing - the most drug tested fighter in the sport

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  1. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    unlike Floyd who has 0 vada tests and when his puppet USADA catches him with a medical team administering him illegal IVs, they forget to inform Nevada and Pac camp and instead file a TUE 21 days AFTER the fight.
    https://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada

    Pac is enrolled in vada 365 days programme which means he can be tested anywhere, anytime. The cleanest athlete in the sport. He was also enrolled in this for the Thurman fight also.

    6 vada tested fights , 24 championship drug tested fights.

    No positive tests, no Illegal IVs, no ultra low T/E ratios, no positive A samples, nothing, nada, just floyd snrs accusations.
    Floyd delayed a fight for 5 years because he wanted to clean up the sport only to be the one caught cheating. Pac was so clean for their fight he couldn’t take the same pain killer for his shoulder that Floyd has been taking for all 50 of his fights.

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    I reached out to VADA president Dr. Margaret Goodman and asked is she would have a few moments to speak or do a brief interview regarding the controversy surrounding the Pacquiao vs. Thurman fight regarding whether or not there were appropriate pre and post-fight drug testing involving VADA in any capacity. Goodman's response to my e-mail was, "I appreciate you contacting me, but this is something that should be discussed with the Nevada State Athletic Commission." When I followed up asking if she can you confirm that Manny Pacquiao has been enrolled in VADA testing via the WBC Clean Boxing Program prior to this fight, Goodman replied, "Yes."

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterk...legations-and-vada-drug-testing/#6d42a30f47a7
     
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  2. SpeedKills

    SpeedKills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So they did VADA for the Thurman fight, That’s good. Although I am scratching my head as to why the NSAC is sticking their hands in the process. I would hope VADA can just work as they have been and not end up tainted.
     
  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    This VADA 356/24/7 isn't what it seems to be though. Sure they can come at anytime but they often don't. You might get tested 6 times or never. it's really just a random thing and they don't always test just because you're signed up to it. The thing isn't fool proof like the TS would like you to believe.
     
  4. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They thing is, they CAN test you whenever. That's how it works.
     
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  5. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wasn't Whyte enrolled?
     
  6. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Yes or they can never test which they also often do. It's not like they test you every month of the year or something. It looks good in theory but not as good in real life. You could still juice and do this type of testing.
     
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  7. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Better than paid off USADA.
     
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  8. SpeedKills

    SpeedKills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It is exactly what I think most think, it is random testing. But I think you are also confusing the CBP and VADA. The CBP is less focused because they have many fighters to test. Signing up through actual VADA is a focused program on you and whoever you want. So of course it will be more stringent with a microscope on you. But the point is to minimize and dissuade anyway.
     
  9. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I agree this type of testing is better than nothing but it's not fool proof and you could dope while still being on this program.
     
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  10. TheMotorCityCobra

    TheMotorCityCobra Active Member Full Member

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    According to VADA, he has never completed 365 testing and has only been enrolled in VADA testing 4 times in his career. VADA will say right on your profile if you've ever completed 365 VADA testing. No mention on Manny's profile at all. Maybe he enrolled in 365, but he never completed it. There is also many, many links stating Pac-Thurman did not do any VADA testing for their fight. Apparently the reason is Paq-Thurman did not start VADA testing until the end of June after stories started circulating in the media about a lack of drug testing. Seems that Manny didn't start any drug testing until less than 3 weeks before the fight. I can't imagine why...he also skipped VADA testing completely for the Horn and Mattysse fights.

    A quote from an article by *******:

    Prior to their eventual superfight, Pacquiao finally warmed up to the concept of random testing, regularly utilizing VADA beginning with his Nov. 2013 win over Brandon Rios. His participation in the program has been spotty in recent years.

    http://vada-testing.org/congratulations-to-manny-pacquiao-on-successfully-completing-vada-testing/
    https://www.*******.com/pacquiao-thurman-no-vada-testing-place-july-20-ppv-event--140272
    https://www.fightful.com/boxing/report-vada-not-handling-drug-testing-pacquiao-vs-thurman
     
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  11. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, there's truth to that. But personally, I don't know if anyone juicing would sign up for something they can get tested any day on. The mere chance you can get picked is, IMO, enough of a deterrent. It's not perfect by any means, but fighters SHOULD be in this and state commissions/ABC's should require this more.
     
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  12. SpeedKills

    SpeedKills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He’s done it at least 5 times if you believe his then opponent in Adrien Broner. 6 times if you believe his matchmaker Sean Gibbons who is here calling to the media to ask questions of Margaret Goodman’s issue with the NSAC.

    He started after being KO’d by Marquez and didn’t do it for the second Bradley fight because they did random drug testing provided by the NSAC. I don’t know what happened with Horn or Matthysse, two fights out of America. We also know Pacquiao is on the CBP(not VADA 365) as VADA/WBC(aka CBP) shared some late 2018/early 2019 year testing that had Pacquiao being tested by the CBP while under testing of VADA vs Broner. If you believe Pacquiao there is a tweet with him saying VADA came over and he “tested positive for excellence” in december 26 2018, the CBP results list show a sample was taken from Pacquiao in January 16 2019. I don’t know why they haven’t updated it since Vargas, maybe Margaret doesn’t like to acknowledge it if it’s done through the NSAC(which I would understand). Or these guys are lying.
     
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  13. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    It's no different than guys in the NFL once they fail a test they are subjected to this same type of testing and can be tested at anytime anywhere but still test positive for weed other drugs or PEDS. Look at Josh Gordon and others. They know they can be randomly tested but to them it's still worth the risk. With that said I think the NFL even test more than VADA for first time offender of the Leagues Substance Abuse policy.
     
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  14. TheMotorCityCobra

    TheMotorCityCobra Active Member Full Member

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    Hasn't the CBP been a giant failure, with hardly anyone being tested with any frequency. There is a kid at our gym that entered the WBC rankings last year and I'm almost positive he has only been tested 1 time so far.
     
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  15. SpeedKills

    SpeedKills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes and no they caught a guy just this year. The purpose is just that they can literally pop up anytime, off-season, on season, they can just pop up and ask for Blood/urine. I think it’s about as good as it gets for the moment until someone can put more money in the system. The main thing is furthering the technology which allows detecting even smaller traces which widens the detection windows. Also having been tested once already is good for that kid. The UKAD is stretched so thin there are boxers who have boxed for years and never been tested. I might be remembering this wrong but I think there was a UK boxer who said he had been boxing for 5 years and never been tested. This is also why fighters/fans should want the more stringent Focused VADA testing in the lead-up to fights, experts suggest a minimum of 3 months though, which I don’t think most fights do.


    Quote from David Price

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/20068384
     
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