Pacquiao...is he losing respect among his peers?

he holds dick for urine extraction.

 

The masking agents can be used to beat whatever testing method they use and not just urinalysis. If you read the whole thread, 3rdislander mentioned that it's the thoroughness of the testing that is the key and not from what sample (urine or blood) was provided.

 

Seriously? Are you for real? They test for masking agents just like diuretics. If you get caught with a masking agent in your urine or blood that's as good as a positive and you are sanctioned.

You have a disconnect between what you see and what is reality here for doping tests.

The way you are harping on the superiority of blood leads me to think that you probably didn't know that BLOOD CANNOT DETECT EPO. Well, there goes your whole blood is better aspect huh?

It depends on what you're looking for. For instance EPO hormone breaks down in urine within months, but guess what? It doesn't ****ing exist in blood.

HGH lasts 24-48 hours in blood however the experimental urine test can go back iirc months.

Again it depends on what you're looking for.

It should be obvious that all masking agents are on WADA's list of banned substances.

 

thought pac offered urine test everyday up to the fight?

 

I was in the military and submitted to urinalysis for 20 years. I was an investigator and had training on drugs and testing. I have witnessed people then and now that do drugs and pass urinalysis. As I stated before, if a bus driver or train driver or any public servant have an accident, they dont do urinalysis, they take blood. Also, if you get stopped for what appears to be drunk driving and refuse a breath test, you will be arrested and guess what, blood will be taken. Many industries are getting away from urinalysis. Many oil companies now want hair samples instead of urine. By no means am I claiming to be an authority on the matter, however, I am speaking on experience.

 

Actually it depends what jurisdiction you are in. But the reasons for it are nothing to do with what you are arguing.

 

Well according to you, there is no need for blood testing. Urinalysis is just a good. I give up.

 

Well in New York, Washington, D.C. and Houston I know they take blood if any public servant has an accident. What do you mean it has nothing to do with my argument. Why not make them pee or take a breathalizer after an accident instead of taking blood?

 

That's not what I said, though it may be what I alluded to. Blood is used by WADA as a screener. It can check hematocrit or HCT levels in blood which can generally speaking mean someone is doped up on EPO or not. When someone is close to the threshold that WADA deems EPO territory, they run the urine EPO test.

There are also forms of steroids that aren't detectable in urine and blood. What are we to do... ohnoes? Thankfully the french doping Nazis have developed a hair follicle test for it and are busy busting French dopers left and right.

But oh, WADA don't do hair follicle testing so oh well right?

Also, there is NO KNOWN TEST for gene doping. Nada, nothing zilch with blood, hair, urine, semen, nada.

Are we to cry over this as well?

 

What drugs could Manny take in the 14/21 day window that would not be detected in a daily urine test? I mean some PED that would give him an advantage, not smoking some weed or something. The stuff you were tested for is probably a whole different ball game than what he would be tested for. Supposedly they explained to Mayweather during the last negotiations that daily urine testing would be fine after 21 days for the kind of stuff he was afraid Manny was taking.

 

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling[/ame]

Scroll down to around 2008 and you'll see plenty of EPO users caught due to blood testing...

 

These are criminal investigations where a sample may have to be tested up to a year or more later.

 

Where? EPO is a hormone in the urine not the blood. Blood can only check blood levels or irregularities but it cannot technically detect EPO. This is why the legal test for EPO is urine as per WADA.

 

Because what they are trying to establish is the blood alcohol level at the time. If you do a urine test the problem is not that the alcohol is not still present in the urine, it is actually the opposite - alcohol drunk many hours before may be detected and provide a false result.

That's why it has nothing to do with your argument. Once again your primary problem is that you think that 'what is the best, blood or urine testing?' is a question with a simple definite either/or answer.

 

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