Pacquiao isn't appreciated enough.

Let's compare them. You plead your case and I'll counter.

 

No it isn't. Canelo>MAB Pac>anyone Pac beat.

 

If you can't beat JMM clearly in 4 fights and get KTFO by him then you're not the best of anything. If PBF had 4 fights with JMM and couldn't beat him clearly and got KTFO by him he would have been laughed out the sport. But because people like Pac they want to excuse it and give him a pass, it doesn't work like that.

 

No it wasn't. There's no one on Pac's resume that PBF wouldn't have beaten. MAB isn't better than Canelo on top of that Canelo was bigger than PBF much bigger. Lastly Canelo had over 40 fights was the man at JMW you're not inexperienced when you're the man and ranked in the top 10 P4P. Stop! Those are excuses period.

 

Common Opponents

• Cotto (Pac destroyed, Cotto took Floyd deep)
• Mosley (Pac had him running scared for 12 rounds, Mosley almost took Floyd's head off)
• Hatton (Pac destroyed, Hatton made Floyd uncomfortable and Cortez protected Floyd)
• Oscar (Pac destroyed, Floyd squeaked by with many having the fight a draw)

So Pac is 4-1 in common opponents.

Marquez, Bradley, Thurman >>> Clenelo (who plans on fighting at 190/200 this summer — almost 50 pounds from where Floyd fought him), Ortiz, Berto, Maidana, McGregor.

Don't forget Devon Alexander pitched a complete shut out against Maidana while Maidana took Floyd into deep waters.

 

Just because he's retired and he's not being talked about as much anymore doesn't mean he isn't being appreciated enough. It's refreshing to not have to see so many threads on Pac/May. If anything Pac has been over-appreciated for years to the point that its nauseating.

Still, history will still see him as an ATG legend no doubt. Top 12 ATG and the best fighter to come out of Asia alongside Fighting Harada.

 

mayweather will never be the goat,his last 4 real fights he hugged & ran like a go-pher

 

Pac beat a mentally destroyed Cotto who had just lost his father and had a **** camp. PBF beat the better version of Cotto at 154 who was better prepared than the Cotto Pac fought and cotto had belts at 154.

PBF beat the #3 P4P fighter in Mosley who had just beat the life outta Margo. He lost 1 round in that fight again PBF beat the better version.

PBF beat the Hatton who was undefeated and a top 5 P4P ranked fighter. Pac beat a coke fueled poorly trained mentally beat fighter. Again PBF beat the better version.

PBF fought Oscar at 154 beat him clearly. Pac beat a walking zombie who needed an IV and never fought again. PBF again beat the better fighter.

PBF schooled JMM beat him so bad that he turned down a rematch with PBF despite a career high payday and a shot at redemption.

Pac lost to Bradley in their first fight. PBF wouldn't lose a round to Bradley.

Thurman was inactive when he fought Pac and looked like trash in his previous fight and he still ran pac close and has done nothing sense.

Canelo since PBF schooled him has become the face of the sport and P4P #1 that win is aging like fine wine getting better and better everyday. He's clearly better than anyone Pac beat.

Pac also lost to a bum in Horn lost to a faded Erik Morales got KTFO by JMM and Torrecampo a bum and sangsurat. He also earned a dubious draw against Sanchez and lost to an average Ugas in a fight he was expected to win wide. PBF doesn't have those kind of mis-steps on his resume. Lastly PBF dominated Pac in the fight of the era easily proving why he was the best fighter of the era.

 

Oscar needed an IV... Why did Floyd?

 

PBF was dehydrated just like Oscar was. Pac lost to an old shot and dehydrated PBF.

 

Uh huh. Floyd was 150 pounds 30 days out. You don't even believe that.

 

Cotto was weight drained.

Mosley was the #1 contender and coming off a huge win over Margarito when Floyd beat him. Mosley wasn't anything noteworthy in the division when Pac beat him. Mosley just showed up for a paycheck.

Floyd beat Hatton first.

Floyd beat Oscar when Oscar was closer to his prime. Oscar was drained and completely washed up when Pac beat him.

Floyd effortlessly beat and comprehensively outboxed Marquez. Pac never convincingly beat Marquez in 4 attempts and struggled in all 4, including a knockout loss.

Canelo is arguably a better win than Thurman. Canelo is now the best boxer in the world and Thurman has done nothing since losing. Thurman hadn't really proved to be the truly best welterweight at the time. Both Pac and Thurman failed to face Spence and Crawford who were quite clearly the biggest threats. To be fair to pac, he did try to fight Spence but Spence had to pull out.

Yes Devon schooled Maidana. What does that have to do with Pac? Pac never fought either of them. Devon lost to Berto who Floyd beat and Floyd could have beat Berto with his eyes closed. Styles make fights and Floyd was also much older when he faced Maidana. When Pac got old he was struggling with Jeff horn.

 

Clenelo wasn't? Clenelo is at his physical/mental peak RIGHT NOW and can compete at 168, 175, and looking to go to 190/200. That's a spread of almost 50 pounds, guy.

Mosley was one fight removed from the Floyd fight and STYLES MAKE FIGHTS. Plus Pac was the significantly smaller man. Mosley promised to go war with Pac saying his size will be too much. Pac put the fear of god in that man and had him running for dear life. And then he went on to fight Clenelo toe-to-toe.

So Floyd only fought undefeated fighters? Hopkins KO'd Oscar...

Hopkins KO'd Oscar. And... you wanted Pac to jump THREE weight classes for Oscar?

Floyd blatantly ignored the catchweight and Marquez was coming up 2 weight classes. Plus styles. So Norton > Ali?

Fight was in 2013. Clenelo is at his physical/mental peak RIGHT NOW and can compete at 168, 175, and looking to go to 190/200. That's a spread of almost 50 pounds. The best version of Clenelo (right now) would literally kill Floyd.

I was just countering Pimp C's argument about JMM. Pac didn't fight Maidana because Maidana ducked him (chose Floyd rematch instead). And come on, Pac wouldn't lose a single round against Maidana and most likely would have stopped him.

 

Canelo never proved he was effective at 175. The kovalev "fight" was a joke. He has yet to face any real 175 guys like Beterbiev and it looks like he plans to cherry pick cruiser as well.

Toney competed from middle all the way to heavy but no one on earth thinks heavy was his best division. A fighter being able to climb multiple divisions doesn't mean they were drained against an opponent of a previous weight. Canelo fought at that same weight he did against Floyd multiple times.

IDC if Pac was the smaller man compared to Mosley. You're giving him extra brownie points that are actually irrelevant. We were discussing who had the better wins with the same opponents. Floyd fought a better version of Mosley, period.

WTF does this have to do with what I said?

Floyd beat better versions of Oscar and Hatton than Pac.

Yes Hopkins beat a better version of Oscar than Floyd, just like Floyd beat a better version of Oscar than Pac. But Hopkins has nothing to do with this discussion. If you're just going to keep bringing up other boxers whenever someone makes a valid point, I'm going to cut this short.

I never said anything about asking Pac to jump 3 divisions. No one put a gun to his head telling him to fight a weight drained old boxer. He did it for the money grab and name recognition. Oscar was nothing at that point.

Marquez called Floyd out and was on the p4p list. He got completely schooled. Pac went life and death with Marquez and never beat him convincingly. Cry about it all you want. People tried to warn you guys with the Marquez comparison that Pac simply wasn't on Floyd's level, but you didn't listen.

Let me know when Thurman has a career as noteworthy as Canelo.

Maidana "ducked" Pac when he rematched Floyd for another multi million dollar payday in an attempt to avenge a very close fight?

The sad part is I KNOW you're serious.

 

Y'all need to stop using Shane's name as a significant win for ANYONE, post V Forrest. Shane has ONE big win prior to Antonio Margarito (Whom I'm guessing most of you don't even rate highly to begin with....), and that win was his first fight w/ Oscar. In 2000.