Pacquiao knockdown in Rd 3 far more telling then knockout in Rd 6?

Juan has only clearly hurt Pac once and that is in that gif where he catches Pac with a huge left hook whilst Pac was in the air, and Pac barely buckled. The magnitude of that punch had it occurred in the 4th fight would probably be the same result as the KO we saw.

JMM obviously was a lot more powerful in the 4th fight than in the previous 3. What do you think they hired Heredia for? And why do you think they kept bragging about his new power all through camp? Their camp was concentrating on power, and its reflected in JMM's new mass which I believe he sacrificed some speed for.

Edit: This is the gif I was referring to.

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The one below is identical to the 3rd round KD:

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That wasn't a weak punch, watch the replay. It was a big swing with Marquez' extra weight and possibly PED's that landed right on the jaw. Pac looked off balance and bounced straight back up and came back fighting so I don't think that KD signifies any reduction in Pac's punch resistance. That version of Marquez probably hits harder than Rios and is definitely a better boxer so is more likely to time him perfectly, land clean and land more often. I wouldn't worry about it too much for the Rios fight.

 

clottey beat the shi-t out of zab...made him quit. bradley also made devon quit as well

paq has never been hurt to the extent that he was from the third round knockdown since he moved to lw and ww.

 

against bradley jmm looked no different than he always has. never once had tim in trouble and this after bradley was beaten down in his previous fight

i think that both physically and mentally paq is very much near the end. he has one more war and thats it. i think that hes fighting strictly for obligations at this point

 

Stopped reading right there. He hurt him in the first fight and every fight they had. He has also hurt Pac with body shots. Dont know what you are watching

 

JMM couldn't land on Bradley. JMM has always had trouble with any good boxer, Norwood, MAB, Chris John, Casamayor. Bradley was better than all of them given that he was prime, so as typical he JMM couldn't deal with a boxer moving back.

I thought JMM would stop Bradley, but Bradley is deceptively elusive when he wants to be. He moves his body/head very well and very hard to hit, Pac and Devon found that.

 

None of this means anything.

Who cares who quit against who. It doesnt change the fact that tim isnt a puncher an clottey didnt punch against pac.

Thats not the first time Zab quit or look for a way out. Devon quit from a headbutt and was looking for a way out as well.

Pac was never hurt in any of those other fights because of who he was fighting. Cotto did hurrt him

 

Are you the same guy who thought "floored" didnt mean KD?

Have you boxed before? There is a difference between "hurt" as in the gif that I posted, and simply hurt because you took a punch. Its boxing so obviously every punch that lands is unpleasant and will hurt, but in boxing terms, when we come out of it, we only describe "hurt" as in our legs were jelly and was on our way down. Pac never once did a chicken dance in their fights except for that gif I posted, and it barely was.

In the same token I'm sure Floyd by your definition has been "hurt" a lot too I guess each time he took a punch, but to me he's only been clearly hurt in the Mosley fight and Corley fight, see if you can distinguish how those 2 fights differ from the rest.

 

Pretty sure a big bunch of you guys were arguing that Clottey landed the cleaner punches against Pac, than Pac did against Clottey. Clottey obviously did punch against Pac, it did **** all.

 

Roids or not, those knockdowns were both well timed shots. Look at the one in the third round. Juan throws a left ****s the right just a tad longer than normal, a standard attack is left followed by a right so PAC's instinct tells him to block high. Pac realizes the punch isn't gonna come high and Juan's hand is low so he shifts it down. (BAM) as he shifted Juan threw the punch and it hit him just where his hand was less than 1/10th of a second ago. It had all his weight behind it and he expected it to the body and didn't see it until the last fraction of a second. Shots like that can knock down anyone.

Just watched again, in the time he spent ****ing that punch he put all his weight on that back leg to. I don't think that was a weak punch...

 

i think margos body shot hurt paq more than anything cotto landed.

im just saying that the knockdown and the subsquent knockout are very much concerning.

 

Maybe they're concerning but the fact is in all of their fights against each other Marquez landed plenty of punches on Pacquiao. In the last fight Marquez and his team were going on about his improved power and how they were gonna KO Pac. Marquez looked physically different. I don't think those muscles were just for Marquez to try to look good at the beach.

 

WTF are you talking about?

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So hurt to you only means your legs have to wobble? :roll:

Thats not always the case, some fighters get hurt an retreat an you dont see any wobble in their legs but they know to get the hell out of there because they have been hurt.

He was also hurt against Zab but his legs didnt buckle. However he did cover up afterwards. He has also been quoted as saying zab an chop chop hit him harder than shane did. It differs.

How "hurt" you are differs.

 

As we are talking about "hurt" in the context of knockdowns and knockouts in this thread, I would assume we are referring to "hurt" in close to being down or stopped. Like I said, the closest Pac came to going down vs JMM was in that 2nd fight.

And my point stands:
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/262...uiao-hit-o.gif

Identical punch to the one JMM landed in the 4th fight, Pac recovered straight away from that one but was floored in the 4th fight. That is one example, there are many more, but just goes to show, JMM has either a lot more power in the 4th fight (which was what they hired Heredia for) or Pac's chin has finally cracked.

 

Probably...doesnt change that fact cotto hurt him.

Again with the KD...Pac didnt even block the shot nor did he see it. Plus it landed on the temple and jmm loaded up on the shot.

With the KO pac jumped onto a shot with his hands down that was perfectly timed and didnt see it either. He should have been Ko'd