Pacquiao, like the great Julius Caesar has let the power go to his head

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  1. FanManII

    FanManII Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dear Mr. Soriano

    Would have , should have, but didn't.
    Add to the fact that Pac should have had a point deducted on all three judges scorecards for hitting Marquez while he was down, and then who wins? Marquez?????

    Again were back to, Could have, SHOULD HAVE, but didn't.

    As it stands in boxing records, the fight was a draw.
     
  2. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Proving that Pac won both times is easier than proving JMM was robbed if we are to produce documents regarding this.:deal

    1. Judges error (first fight)
    2. Judges score cards (second fight)

    *stop including all the boxing analyst in your case because it can be argued that the same, if not more boxing analyst had it for Pac including the judges.
     
  3. FanManII

    FanManII Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You see it your way, I see it Max Kellermans way.
    **** the judges. We've all seen what judges have done in the past.

    Go look at the compubox numbers in the second fight. It speaks volumes as to the robbery that took place that night.

    Marquez landed more punches, Marquez landed more power punches and landed at a much higher percentage.
     
  4. Soriano

    Soriano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Let's go to the scorecards:

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    The judge himself admitted that he committed an error in scoring the first round w/ 10-7. As you can see,the two judges scored 10-6. Had this been corrected as in the case of Barrera-Juarez, Pac should have been declared the winner by SD

    This is the scorecard in the close second fight which is obviously a SD win for Pac:

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    You need any more proofs than the scorecards? Now, what can you show?

    :D
     
  5. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I didnt say he did, didnt I??
    Thats why i said "this time"....atleast imo
    And to put it in the same way that you did..

    He tried to outbox Pac for over 12 rnds but failed, he almost got KTFO in the first fight, and another ONE TIME on the second fight.
    On the third fight, if ever there is one. I doubt Marquez will stand up to beat the count on what may be another close but clear win for Pac.
    ofcourse in my opinion.
     
  6. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hmmmn... lets remove the judges from now on and let those computers decide who wins then.

    great idea!:thumbsup
     
  7. mexican legend

    mexican legend MVP! Full Member

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    Really? I actually like Pacquiaos chances against Hatton. Surely if Lazcano can buzz Hatton then so can Pacquiao. I am pretty sure he hits harder than Lazcano.
     
  8. Soriano

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    Compubox? You believe in the machine which does not differentiate a clean punch or a parried punch? Even the punches of Marquez which were defensively parried by Pac were recorded. I can't believe you will believe this one. These are just records and nothing more. It does not determine who is the winner or loser.
     
  9. Soriano

    Soriano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are you saying that because Pac could finish him w/ those KDs, Marquez should be declared the winner in those 2 fights. You must have set new rules in judging fights, aside from relying on the Compubox and not on the judges.
    That's amazing. :think

    Your surname must be Nostradamus to predict the result of the third fight.
    Are adding another way of judging the 3rd fight? :yep
     
  10. FanManII

    FanManII Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Final punchstat numbers

    Marquez - total punches 172/511 - 34%
    Marquez - jabs 42/201 - 21 %
    Marquerz - power punches 130/310 -42%

    Pac - total punches 157/619 - 25%
    Pac - jabs 43/314 - 14%
    Pac - power punches 114/305 - 37%

    Just for the record
     
  11. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is this from the great Compubox?:smoke
     
  12. Soriano

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    I certainly agree. The first fight as per boxing records was a draw and the second fight as per boxing records, was SD for Pac. :smoke
     
  13. Soriano

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    And you're saying Compubox should replace the judges?
    Where can you find the record of KD in your stats? :yep
     
  14. PirateGorilla

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    Actually if you break down the Compubox per RBR, Pac edges it, but either way you look at it, it's a close fight.

    http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/2008/0315_marquez_pacquiao_2/columns/compubox_post.html

    You have to take into account Pac's KD in the 3rd and hurting JMM in the 10th

    Total connect-----Power connect

    Pacquiao
    first (12-6)--------first (8-4)
    fourth (19-14)-----third (9-7)
    sixth (16-15)------fourth (13-9)
    ninth (13-12)------ninth (11-9)
    10th (17-15)------11th (11-10)
    11th (16-12)

    Marquez
    second (18-9)-----second (12-9)
    fifth (12-10)-------fifth (10-4)
    seventh (15-12)---sixth (14-13)
    eighth (21-5)------seventh (12-8)
    12th (19-15)------eighth (15-5)
    ------------------12th (15-10)

    Even

    3rd---------------10th

    Pac--------------JMM
    6-5-1------------6-5-1

     
  15. Executioner

    Executioner Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Im not