Pacquiao looks normal

I was referring to the thread title, saying Pacquiao looks "normal", its because of styles. Much like Floyd looked "normal" and human in some of his fights.

Its just natural, the major difference is adaptability and versatility. Floyd may have struggled, but he found a way tactically and technically, to impose his will on his opponents, whereas with Manny Pacquiao you got a guy grinding on the same stone till it breaks, sometimes that stone isn't going to break, like with Marquez.

 

:hi:... Every fighter has had a bad night.... Floyd had a bad night with JLC....he had a bad night with Ricky and DLH. Shall I go on?

And Between PAC and Shane..... You are claiming PAC was the one who had a bad night?:think Interesting. I could have swore Shane had a really bad night and on top of everything else he lost.... he couldn't even quit like he wanted to do. But yea... I guess everyone thinks it was PAC who had the bad night.

So you telling me that because PAC has had 2 catch weight, that he's been able to accomplish history, capturing 8 titles in 8 divisions? And he's a news Flash.... Catch weights were not created when Manny faced Cotto at 145 for the WBO Welter weight championship.

Guys like Leonard, Armstrong, Nard, DLH and yes.....even your boy Floyd have had catch weight fights. And there haven't been many who were able to do the things they've done in this sport.... let alone make history like PAC has.

PAC dominated DLH and Ricky whom Floyd struggled with. There are many different elements to consider in boxing which prevents you or anyone else to predict the outcome of a fight based on common opponents. Styles make fights. Especially at this level.

 

He KO'd Ricky after 10 hard rounds... Pac took less than 6 minutes to do what took Floyd over a half an hour.....without any assistance from the turnbuckel.:rofl

I actually agree with you.... DLH was one of Floyds best wins... Even though Floyd was unable to dominate like most felt he should.....DLH was still a very good fighter and was the bigger man.

So you are telling me that Floyd ruined DLH based on a split decision win and Ricky based on a 10th round KO?:huh. It's funny how all the sudden guys are shot after they lose to Pac... No one said Ricky was shot...nor did they say DLH was shot before facing Manny.

Floyd has caught at a catch weight and had JMM been champion at welter weight it would have been for a title. JMM at the time was the Light weight champion and of course Floyd wasn't dropping down to 130 again.

 

Manny Pacquiao has not, I repeat has not lost a step, this is just an excuse used by Manny, his team and his fans for not so dominant performances, in his fight with Shane Manny was still fast, still threw punches in combinations and barely got hit, he even dropped Mosley, after that knockdown Shane became even more defensive and would not engage only throwing jabs because he was afraid to be countered, Shane even admitted he was afraid of Pacs punches, hard to be dominant against a guy who doesn't want to fight...

Let's go back to Manny's fight with Clottey who fought similar to Shane Mosley, Joshua only played defense in fear of being countered, we all know Clottey has a solid defense and its hard to look spectacular against a guy with very good defense who doesn't want to throw punches, Pac was still very fast, high workrate and threw in combinations, after that fight Pac dominated Tony Margarito where fans and boxing experts claimed Pac looked sensational even breaking Margos orbital bone...

Now the dumbest example of Manny slowing down is his fight with JMM, even a younger Pac struggled and arguably lost to Marquez even only coming away with a draw after multiple knockdowns, now in the third fight where Manny was supposed to dominate and ko the "smaller" Marquez, Pac barely scrapped by "again" and arguably lost to a man who is a very skilled fighter and apparently has Pacs number, Pac still looked fast as ever, threw in combinations and his footwork even looked great, unfortunately for Pac Marquez is on the same level as Pac and that's why he didn't dominate...

Had Manny Ko'ed Marquez in a few rounds no one would say he has slowed down, any true knowledgeable boxing fan knows that boxing effectively, good defense and good counter punching ability will always give Pac troubles doesn't mean he's slowed down, he beat Clottey and Mosley 120-108 & 120-107 respectfully, why because they didn't come to fight and scores like that spells domination, expectations are high for Manny and if he doesn't destroy his opponents its "hes declined" bull**** I call...

Anyone who disputes this, show footage dissecting how Manny is declining I'll wait, but I know there is no such evidence...

 

Not from the UK.... I'm from Baltimore. But it's well known that Ricky had the most loyal following of any sports figure in the last decade. The fight between Floyd and Ricky was one where Ricky fought his fight but still lost. But he made it a very hard fight for Floyd and that's not just my take on it.... that words that came straight out of Floyd own mouth. So that has to be taken with more than just a grain of salt.

After that fight Ricky was even MORE confident that he was able to compete with Floyd. Sure... he lost by KO but it wasn't an easy night for Floyd and Floyd himself validated that so even with the Loss Ricky's confidence was at an all time high.

The "0" does give confidence for the undefeated fighters.... but loses sometimes acts a a shot of adrenaline that pushes a fighter to get better or improve in their craft. Usually the great fighters or the champions are the ones who come back better after a loss.

Do you remember how Hatton looked at his only fight at 147 before facing Floyd? He faced Luis Callozo. That was an indication that Ricky's BEST weight was Jr. WW where he was undefeated. Hatton is arguably 0-2 at 147. When he had the fight with Paulie and Lazcano he was getting back into the Jr WW division where he actually ruled with an iron fist... he's one of the more dominant Jr WW champions the division has ever produced. We can't say that Ricky was ever a dominant force at 147.

Ricky got blasted by PAC because PAC was a better fighter with a style that was going to cause him fits. His defense was good up until he got caught...afterall he had Floyd Sr has his head trainer who is all about the Defensive game. Ricky was suppose to be better defensively with the addition of Floyd Sr. It just didn't work out that way.

For the DLH fight I give PAC all the credit in the world. He was the smaller man coming up not one but TWO division where DLH was only coming down 3 lbs from his previous fight that was at a catch weight of 151 against forbes... in a fight where he completely dominated.

DLH wasn't the PRIME DLH who beat out boxed Tito and KO'd Vargas but he was the HUGE favoriate and NO one gave PAC any chance at winning. I don't buy anyones excuse that he was weight drained because Nacho dismissed all of that even after the fight was done and over with.

PAC beat a DLH who lost by a SD to the P4P king at the time... Floyd Jr. And PAC did so in FAAAAR more dominant fashion than Floyd.

DLH was a better version but Ricky was not. And I give BOTH men credit for their wins... however... PAC was more dominant in 2 fights with Common opponents (Ricky and Oscar).. Floyd was only dominant in one fight with a common opponent (JMM).

We'll see how Floyd does with Cotto... Now... are you going to say that Cotto is shot? After all he took a beating at the hands of Manny.

Floyd was coming off a long lay off to fight JMM... again.. a light weight champion... not a WW champion. It was also JMM's first time moving up to 147. It was a good win for Floyd but not a great one.... they way he dominated was more impressive than facing JMM at 144 even though Floyd came in heavy at 146.

Floyd is not leagues above Marquez..... Maybe at 147 but not overall. JMM is a proven great.

 

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No he's not, for example.. Mosley he completely trashed and said "Vernon Forrest, ****ED YOU UP, Winky Wright, ****ED YOU UP, Miguel Cotto, ****ED YOU UP... Floyd Mayweather... I'm gonna **** you up some more!"



Floyd has a very nasty side to him when it comes down to it, and its probably what makes him such a beast and genius inside/outside the ring.

 

Pacquiao struggled against Mosley ?atsch

 

Floyd does often praise his opponents after he fights them.... but he's not one to say he's had a difficult fight for ANYONE. DLH had a more "tactical" and strategically challenging fight with Floyd than Floyd had with Ricky.... which was a more "Physically taxing" and grueling fight than Floyd is use to. Floyd has never really liked Oscar so I think giving him props is out of the question.

I don't take EVERYTHING Floyd says seriously.... just when he seems sincere.... YES... there are time when Floyd is or at least seems to be sincere.:yep

If Floyd had a of dominated Hatton like everyone expected then we wouldn't have heard Floyd saying Ricky was a tough or his "toughest" fight. He would have did what he did with JMM.... say he's a great fighter and "i can't take nothing away from him". Floyd is pretty predictable on a lot of things especially when it comes to what he might say.

If you stopped reading after me telling you that Ricky's confidence was at a high for how WELL he did against the best P4P boxer on the planet then that's your loss.

Ricky's confidence was SHATTER after his 2nd round destruction at the hands of PAC... not the 10 round KO loss to Floyd where he actually won some rounds and made it a longer fight than anyone expected.

No one gave Ricky a chance against Floyd.... .but there were MANY who thought Ricky would destroy PAC... ESPECIALLY at 140 where Ricky was undefeated.

The debate has been over since I went in on you.:hey I'm just doing kicking a little extra knowledge since I have the forum to do so.

 

Just Great, another ****ing annoying *****.