Pacquiao/Marquez : Close fight no robbery!

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Check_Hook, Nov 13, 2011.


  1. Check_Hook

    Check_Hook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ive watched the fight twice now first time i had Pac by a round but i might have been swayed by the very bias HBO commentry, i though E.Stewart was the only man speaking sense. 2nd time i watched it i had the fight a draw, but could see a decision going either way depending on what you are looking for.

    I am completely neutral on both fighters, but would have prefered to see JMM win because of how ridicously he was written off before hand. Ive seen people scorecards on here reading Marquez 11-1,10-2, and think people are gettin massivley carried away.

    I have no problem with people scoring the fight to JMM in a close decision but them scores are a joke, JJM did the smarter work and more effictive although in shorter bursts, Pac pushed the fight and was the aggressor throughout, he landed more. I though Pac looked poor tonight, JMM made him look ordinary and Pac didnt seem to have a plan B.

    I think this fight was as close as the Clevely/Bellew fight, this was a close fight that could easily have went either way but by no means a robbery.
     
  2. Vano-Irons

    Vano-Irons Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I am a massive Pacquiao fan, and desperately wanted him to win. I've watched it twice and scored it 116-112 both times to Marquez. How anyone can give PAC more than 5 rounds is beyond me.

    Manny knew he lost the fight, just look at his reaction when te scores are read out.

    It was disgraceful judging IMO. Pac-Mayweather will be made now so can be viewed as a good thing, but Marquez was jibed last night.
     
  3. BoxingAnalyst

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    Yes it was! 115-113 i scored it and that was being generous to Pac.
     
  4. Check_Hook

    Check_Hook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Im going to have to watch this again for so many people to be saying that JMM clearly won i must be wrong somewhere, but imo opinion from what ive seen Pac outworked him and pressed the fight, JJM came out with the more quality work. Its depends how you score.

    But as i said ill watch it again later and see what i think.
     
  5. achillesthegreat

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    bam bam Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Had it 115-113 Pac.There were a lot of close rounds so a Marquez win or a draw is fine with me.
     
  7. Vano-Irons

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    I just can't give Pacquiao rounds for throwing shots that don't land and getting countered in the process. The second fight was closer than that
     
  8. miguel2010

    miguel2010 His hands are his weapons Full Member

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    BOOM!

    Too right mate......Fights will be getting scored by what the fighters were thinking next!
     
  9. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    I suppose you score a fight depndent on your prefernces...if you appreciate someone bouncing around like Tigger, jumping in with shots and missing and the getting countered with hard combinations then you will obviously score the fight to Pac...otherwise there was only one winner, deep down everyone knows who that was or at least should have been.
     
  10. Check_Hook

    Check_Hook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah good point, but to be honest i think Pac landed more punches, although JMM landing the cleaner shots.

    Im not saying Pac won, like i said im totaly on the fence here, i just dont see a robbery.
     
  11. Gullet

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    Same here think i must have watched a diffrerent fight
     
  12. Vano-Irons

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    If Pac nicked it on the cards I don't think there would be such an outrage. But 116-112 in his favour is beyond pathetic IMO. I'm not a boxing judge, but I know that fights are scored on effective aggression.

    Like I said, I'm a massive Pacquiao fan, I really am, but he lost last night. For me, the punch stats are irrelevant as this isn't Amateur boxing. Just look at Manny's face at the end of the fight. He knew he lost
     
  13. Scottrf

    Scottrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Disagree. Using the scoring criteria, I can't see a case for giving Pacquiao more than a couple.

    Ring generalship: Marquez always had the outside foot and controlled range by backing up.
    Clean punching: Marquez in every round.
    Defense: Marquez was pivoting, slipping and parrying, Pacquiao wasn't even moving his head.
    Effective aggression: I can see people thinking Pacquiao won by this simply because he was walking forwards. Marquez was initiating the exchanges.
     
  14. Check_Hook

    Check_Hook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah youre saying the punch stats are irrelevent, and i agree that throwing shots and not landing dosent score points. But Pacquiao did out work JMM and did Outland JMM. There is no doubt the more effiective and clearner shots came from JMM, there is no disputing that. But like i said it depends how you score a fight, a champion being the aggressor and puching the fight or a challanger counter punching landing less, but more effectively and cleaner shots.

    Its only my opinion and im not saying im right at all, judging by most peoples opinions im wrong, but in my eyes that was a close fight what could have went either way depending on how you judged it, not a robbery.
     
  15. Redondo5

    Redondo5 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was not close at all. I'm not going to go thorugh the scoring as there's already plenty of stuff there to make your own mind up.

    What I want to highlight is what the respective team thought. And we all know how bias Roach can be as all trainers are exoected to be. Pacquiao's team knew it wasn't close. After the first two fights, everyone remembers both JMM and PAC raise their hands, both think they done enough to win. But the third fight, what happens at the end.....

    JMM is raises his hands, pacquiao walks back to his corner and starts crying with bouyboi Fernandez and kneels and crys/prays in his corner without even raising his hands yet to his fans. Is the reaction of a winner, someone who beleives he has won. Look at roach and big mouth ariza, all subdued. They all know the score.

    If it was close they wouldn't be subdued. Calzaghe v Hopkins was close, both teams were nervous but thought they did enough to win. In last nights fight one team knew they won while the other knew their fighter hadn't... Well until uncle bob got his greasy fingers involved... Even a bias commentator like khan had JMM up and was talking as if it was a given that he had one straight after the final bell. If it was close he wouldn't be talking like that.