Pacquiao may get a decision

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  1. brando

    brando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    According to Stephen A. Smith
    Of ESPN:

    "You have so many people who so desperately want Floyd Mayweather to lose, that Manny Pacquiao would get the decision,” he said. “By virtue of that alone, I believe Roy Jones Jr. because I believe that the only way Floyd can win this fight is if Floyd takes him out because I think even if Floyd earned a decision, they would rob him of it because they want a sequel. That’s what I believe. I believe that. This is boxing, Skip. Don’t act like that’s farfetched. This is boxing. It’s happened many times and you know it.”
     
  2. Bald_Toad

    Bald_Toad Ring Title Full Member

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  3. The only one that would get robbed is Pac. That 0 sells and Las Vegas is Floyd's home.
     
  4. DonnyMo

    DonnyMo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    LOL. I'm seeing Stephen A, MVC, and assorted floyd fans getting the excuses ready.

    reality is setting in.
     
  5. TKO6

    TKO6 Boxcar for life Full Member

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    I am a fan of Pac, dont like Floyd as a man (all that horrific showing off of his money the woman beating is beyond pathetic) BUT I appreciate his skills second only to Sweet Pea in terms of defence all time for me.

    I think this is and was 5 years ago a 50/50 fight, if it goes to a decision though it will be Flloyd or the draw no way Pac Man wins a decision not in Floyds town.
     
  6. jmarlow

    jmarlow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :deal
     
  7. Typhoon

    Typhoon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    this is absolute BS; in fact, an article in CBS touched on these silly conspiracy theories. First of all, Roy Jones clarified that he didn't say what he said because he thought judges would favor Pac, he said it cause he thinks Pac's work rate will beat Floyd if it went to scorecards, purely based on styles...


    Past history is totally against this. If it's true that everyone wanted Pac vs floyd, why did JMM KO the **** out of Pac in their 4th fight? How in the world did judges score fight for Bradley in that controversial decision? THIS put the big mega fight at risk.

    pretty much, no-on today is bought, this is not like the mobster days when everything could be kept a secret. This fight will not be influenced by Arum, Al Haymon, Floyd, Manny or anyone else... judges will be left to make their own decisions.
     
  8. Typhoon

    Typhoon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    here;s the response to Steven A Smith's comments:

    http://www.cbssports.com/general/ey...uth-to-mayweather-pacquiao-rematch-conspiracy



    The perception is out there, even in 2015, that Floyd Mayweather Jr. will have to win by KO against Manny Pacquiao on May 2 because so many could gain so much with a would-be rematch.

    But to Rick Glaser, it sounds a lot more like 1955.

    And when the veteran boxing businessman -- whose career has comprised roles like promoter, matchmaker, agent and adviser -- hears assertions like the ones made on ESPN2's First Take by controversy catalyst Stephen A. Smith, he can't help but shake his head.

    Smith, for those unaware, suggested Friday that "you have so many people who so desperately want Floyd Mayweather to lose, that Manny Pacquiao would get the decision" and "even if Floyd earned a decision, they would rob him of it because they want a sequel."

    "That's what I believe. I believe that," he told co-host Skip Bayless. "This is boxing, Skip. Don't act like that's farfetched. This is boxing. It's happened many times and you know it."

    Glaser, though, hears nothing but hot air.

    "The whole world is watching. This isn't the 1950s. The mob isn't involved anymore," he told CBSSports.com. "Do you really think Bob Arum or Al Haymon would go out of their way and think that they could approach a judge to arrange something like that?

    "It's a different era. It doesn't work like that anymore."

    Randy Gordon, former commission of the New York State Athletic Commission, agrees with Glaser.

    "I really put no credence into any kind of conspiracy theories," he told CBSSports.com.

    "If the decision is close. It's close."

    Last but not least, the very foundation on which Smith built his rant thinks the assertion is silly, too.

    The outspoken host cited Roy Jones Jr., who told CBSSports.com earlier this week that the "only way for [Mayweather] to beat Pacquiao is to get him out of there" -- thereby making the implication that Jones also believed Mayweather would be unable to win a decision.

    Jones, however, told CBSSports.com Friday that he would "totally disagree" with a scenario such as the one Smith suggested.

    In fact, Jones' previous ****ysis was that Mayweather could win by a KO because of power-punching ability that he's not been forced to call on in the past -- and that he'd have the necessity to sit down on punches against Pacquiao because of the Filipino's high work rate, not for fear of Las Vegas judges.

    Not to mention, there's no rematch clause in the contract. And, both Mayweather and Pacquiao have been on both sides of dubious MGM Grand scorecards in the past.

    Mayweather won a debated unanimous decision against Jose Luis Castillo there in April 2002, though no less authority than unofficial HBO judge Harold Lederman had Castillo up by four points.

    Then, in 2013, official ringside judge CJ Ross was hounded into a self-induced sabbatical after she deemed Mayweather's fight with Saul "Canelo" Alvarez even after 12 rounds, while the other two scorecards had him winning eight and nine rounds, respectively.

    Meanwhile, Pacquiao was seen as a fortunate winner against Juan Manuel Marquez in November 2011 -- a bout Ring magazine readers voted "Robbery of the Year" -- and a victimized loser seven months later after a split decision against Timothy Bradley labeled worst of the year by ***********.com.

    The moral of the story, Glaser claims, is that while bad decisions do exist, influenced ones don't.

    "When George Foreman knocked out Michael Moorer, everybody said the fight was fixed," he said. "With that knockout loss, he lost $15 million for the next fight, $25 million for the next fight and $2 million (for an endorsement deal). That's $42 million for two fights and an endorsement contract.

    "How much could they have paid that man to take a dive?"
     
  9. zeavic

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    I love it props op,
     
  10. zeavic

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    i cant wait to see the look at dontaesboxingnation
     
  11. divac

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    If its anywhere near competitve which I dont believe it will be, I think the fight will be ruled a draw or Pacquiao will get the decision.
    The Marquez-Pacquiao fights have proven this could happen.
     
  12. Typhoon

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    yes, Pac should've won 1st fight if 1 judge wouldn't have made a mistake and incorrectly scored 1st round 10-7, instead of 10-6 which is correct for 3 knock downs. The judge later admitted it was mistake so Manny got robbed.

    Manny then won 2nd and 3rd fights unless you are a Mexican fanboy or Manny hater

    4th, JMM had to KO him; otherwise, Manny would've either KO'd JMM or won by decision as he was owning him at that point.

    The guys claiming JMM wins every fight are the worst fans boxing has ever seen, they even think he got robbed vs Bradley too.

    Get outta here with the JMM BS...

    as far as Floyd vs Manny, let's speak the truth. Judges will be biased for Floyd, everyone knows this. Why? because to give floyd a loss, it will be controversial unless Manny thoroughly beats him. No-one wants to give the King of boxing his first loss if fight is close. Judges will give Floyd ALL close rounds.... Manny will have to dominate rounds to win them; meanwhile, Floyd will just have to dance around, look cute to win rounds. This is obvious...
     
  13. slash

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    i disagree
     
  14. retriever

    retriever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :verysad:-(
     
  15. Piece

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    That's because, unlike Roy Jones and Mike Tyson, Steven A. Smith doesn't understand boxing. He's a Floyd fanatic that probably started watching boxing after Floyd vs De La Hoya.

    He doesn't understand a simple stylistic breakdown.

    Let me put this into perspective on why Roy and Mike believe Pacquaio will win. Typically, to beat a swarmer, you have to out slug them. To beat a boxer, you swarm them with a volume of punches.

    Mayweather will have to do something to significantly affect Pacquaio punching output, but Pacquaio is so explosive and dynamic, that nobody has effectively been able to accomplish this, with the exception of Marquez.

    Marquez did this because he threw when Pacquaio threw and he threw with bad intentions. Even in the fight Marquez solidified his victory, he walked through fire to get that victory. In addition to that, Marquez fought Pacquaio 4 times. That's a hell of a lot of experience.

    Mayweather will have to DRASTICALLY change his style to beat Pacquaio. The people who are betting on Mayweather to win believe he is capable of accomplishing this goal OR they believe he has the punching power to seriously hurt Pacquaio or knock him out.

    If history is a good indicator of the future, Pacquaio has the stylistic advantage in this fight. I don't believe that Mayweather can change enough in such a limited period of time to beat Pacquaio, especially if you consider his previous outing, which was plain pathetic.

    He held Maidana even before initiating offense. At the end of the day, Mayweather will prove that he is not willing to go to war. He is scared of a war, which is one of the reasons he fights like he does.