Pacquiao or Jones

what are you talking about : the big dogs? He started out at middleweight, fought and convincingly beat guys naturally larger than him his whole career, and made history beating ruiz. Please don't talk about how he never fought Lewis FFS, Lewis would outweigh him by about 70 ****ing pounds on fight night.

At any rate, with all that said, as a huge Roy fan I still have to give Manny the nod. His resume is absolutely incredible right now and who knows what will be added to it over the course of the next couple of years. He deserves a higher spot in the ATG list than Roy, even though Roy really was undefeatable in his prime.

 

Jones looked undefeatable in his prime, but how would he look facing Nunn, Mc Clelland, Michwalezki, Benn, Eubank ?

It's all about opposition, not just athletic attributes and technique. To be great you have to overcome opposition. Jones never trully tested himself, and we found out why he hesitated doing that at the end of his career.

Also, it's the manner you win; Jones decisioned Hopkins and Toney, his best wins. Pac nearly demolished every fighter he ever faced.

Name one fighter that in the space of one year demolishes David Diaz, Hoya and Hatton.

 

Now thats funny. Jones took 11 rounds off Toney, who by the way has an iron jaw, and took 8/9 off Hopkins with a broken hand.

Pac has a very good resume, but to say Hatton is a better fighter than say Virgil Hill, who is also a two weight divison champion with a significantly longer string of defences, who was never humilated like Hatton has been before. Is laughable.

Pac has been beaten in his prime, and only won the Marquez fights because of the KD's where he was outboxed for long periods. Jones was never beaten in his prime, and the best that anybody could do between 154lbs and heavyweight was take 4 rounds off him, and even then he had a broken hand.

 

Jones fought from 160 to 200 but he truly never tested himself ??

And are you summing up Jones career for what he did at the tail end or the entire career ??What I see from most Roy critics is that they only use his last couple of fights as a measuring stick ..Manny has the better resume with out question but he also has had the luxary of a much deeper pool of opponents .His resume is better than half if not most of the active fighters today .

The 160,168,and 175 lb divisions were never as deep as 126,130 and 135 .Never especially when Manny was in those weight classes so how can anyone make a comparison like that when its always been anything south of 147 that were deeper divisions ??

And on the topic of opponents like Benn,Eubank and DM,how were those fights going to get made if neither side was willing to travel?

Funny how its easy to scrtutinize with out presenting some improtant facts ??

 

you said when jones was on top he was unbeatable. The pacquaio that fought morales was not the best pacquiao. That was the one dimensional pacman. We all saw the rematch and saw the result. Pacman learned from the morales loss and has gotten better. The pacman that beat morales the 3rd time was a prime pac. Guess what he hasn't loss a fight since then.

 

But he did have a draw:think Like I said earlier though its hard for me to root against Manny if it were based soley on resume than Manny but skill wise I have to go with Jones ..

 

Even in his prime Jones was criticised for his opposition, if you may remember.
You say neither side was willing to travel: maybe the perspective of a more than probable decision is what really stopped Jones, giving his safety first style of fighting.

If Manny conquered America, maybe, i say maybe, has to do indeed with his willingness to travel and take chances. Great fighters don't fear travelling.


Something Jones had aversion to.

 

Pac is more fearless and fights them all. He has more of an attitude this is my job and I fight who is put in front of me. Jones thinks too much about it so he did not fight the best. Jones is a cherrypicker. Very similar to Floyd Jr.

 

Jones was a freak during his prime. He is one of my favorite boxer of all time. If it were base on skills alone then yes jones is better. But pac's style just seem like a nightmare for anybody.

Boxer punchers like morales-barrera got beat by pac
Counter punchers like marquez loss to pac
Brawlers like hatton-diaz loss to pac

Pac has a freakish style for just about any opponents style.

 

Yeah I agree but a fighter like Jones would be in and out on a Manny ..Im sure we will see it when he fighst Mw ..But you are right no matter what he is a nightmare for anyone..The southpaw stance ,the blinding speed ,the chin ..He's a fireball with boxing gloves ..

 

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