Pacquiao or Sanchez...Which set of wins is more impressive?

raheem was quite a good fighter. and his style is quite hard to handle. morales is moving up in weight and even had a problem going making 135. his sloppiness could be attributed more to weight issues than being shot.

 

Ok now you are saying that MAB who Pac beat was no longer prime?? Ok whatever you say Ill agree...

then with the way he got dominated..what Prime years of MAB will you say would have beaten Pac at the time...coz frankly MAB was dominated every round..you think in his prime Mab would have won 8 rounds or so??

 

:huhHow does Nelson NOT get enough credit on these boards?

MAB prime in 1st pac bout?:nono He was fighting past prime fighters in Tapia and Kevin Kelley and looked slower yet more technical than 4 years prior.

Sal may not have lost to Nelson in a rematch due to his ability to fight up to the level of his comp. It is however his tendancy to fight down to the level of his comp that contributed to his struggle against Nelson.

 

well i'm confused again. can you define when did barrera declined and did he approached the level of being shot? if so when was it in your opinion?

 

See this thing fighting to the level of competition is quite a ridiculous concept.. I was bad tonight because you were bad...really?

I am neither for PAc or Sanchez..all Im saying is this..You cannot find a reasonable conclusion to whose resume is better..it is not that simple..

If you say that Salvador will mop the ring with PAC..that actually is better because it is a more direct argument..that plays into your (or mines) bias

 

As was stated before, having trouble making 135 when you have been a career 122-126lber speaks volumes about how much Erik was declining physically and mentally.

Raheem had a style to trouble Erik yes, but for such a poor showing to come from Morales had to have raised many a eyebrow and questions regarding how much he really had left.

 

BS. Going up in weight is not always a disadvantage. It's a case by case basis. It's easy for you as a Pacquiao fan to try and lay that down, but it simply isn't true. You think Trinidad was at a disadvantage when he went up to face Vargas? Or Jones when he went up to face Toney? They had naturally grown into that weight class.

And yes, Gomez P4P #2 (I think he was regarded as the best, not #2) is better than MAB's #4 by a significant margin. Much like PBF's P4P#1 is not equal to RJJ's #1 ranking.

 

Don't play stupid with me Chimba. Every couple of months, you get a Pac bug up your ass and forget conversations past.

First off, I have always said that MAB was past his prime when he fought Hamed, not to mention Pacquaio. He changed his style to compensate.

Secondly, I have ALWAYS said, and YOU AGREED, that a Prime MAB gets beaten WORSE by Pacquiao because his style would have been too agressive and he would have gotten KO'd earlier.

MAB can be prime and not beat Pacquiao. I never once said he was a better fighter than Pacquiao. You are incorporating scenarios that have little to do with the discussion.

 

The thing is, i rarely have a bias and announce it when i do. The fact is Pac has enough tools to prevent getting "mopped" by the past greats.

The fighting to the level of comp means (imho) that a fighter was not properly motivated by the opponent at the time and thus, didnt bother to bring his "A" game to the table. Thus, having a night of trouble against a spirited opponent.

 

PAC could have fought at 122 but Murad was the one who wanted him up for big money..Its known everywhere that HBO was salivating at the thought of Pac vs. the big three..

But youre right...when Pac went up to 126 to face MAB..the advantage was on PAC since he was faster and stronger at 126 anyways:good but like you say its a case by case basis..In this case you knew MAB was in trouble 126 was Pacs lucky number

 

i saw the fight and raheem just fought a good fight plan. he box morales and keep running on his bike. morales was not in his best condition there because he had trouble with his conditioning (weight issue). he failed to cut the always runnning raheem.

 

lol ..just in a happy mood...great night for mMA..what a fight..truthfully I admit..i get hyped up for BJ Penn than PAC by a mile..Cant wait for BJ to kick Sherks ass boiii!

 

You're confused because you are relating wins and ranking to primes.

MAB had been fighting for 14 years when he fought Pacquaiao. And much of that time he had been fighting an "in your face" warring style. Notice that most of these fighters are past their prime by their late 20's early 30's.

MAB was prime until about 1999, maybe 2000. He was at his best at 122.

Pacquaio would have beaten him worse in his prime because of MAB's prime style.

 

I thought Sherk was out....like kicked out? Penn is a good fighter, though I admittedly like Silva as my fav in MMA.

 

Fair enough Puma..prime example is Benitez...actually no! because this ****in guy parties hard the night before and still toys with his opponents ;lol..I see your point though:good