Pacquiao or Sanchez...Which set of wins is more impressive?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by brooklyn1550, Mar 28, 2008.


  1. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    He was susp for a while but Dana needs him..hes a great heel for BJ..one more PPV..when BJ has choked or KO Sean back to Minnesota..Dana will release him quietly
     
  2. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can't wait for your answers kids.

    I was there watching this fights when I was a young teenager. Sanchez only becomes known after he beat the smaller Gomez. Those early 80s Ali, SRL, Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Holmes, Frazier, Arguello are the top P4P pounders & the main events. There's a lot of boxing on TV for free.

    Because of Navarette I become interested with the Featherweights. Arguello, Mancini, Boza, Limon, chacon, Those guys are the stars in the lower Class. Sanchez only surfaced on Big time TV with the Gomez & Nelson fights. But still Chava never became the Man. That title really belongs to Arguello, who beats everybody in that era.

    So this is from my recollection. Not a tale from my Dad or Grandpa. Not from the History book . Not from Boxrec. it's from my boxing experience in my younger days.

    Fast forward today. Who's Pac Nowadays. The Man at the lower weight Class. The one holding the record for the best Money fight at 140 & below. P4P #2 & arguably #1, Beat 3 HOF, who at the fight day are considered Legend or HOFamer. Pac is way above in Popularity & a much significant in this era than Chava in his era.

    Lets start with the best win: Pac-MAB 1 vs Chava-Gomez. Pac beating top 5 P4p MAB was more impressive coz he's the one moving up in weight. Gomez is the one moving up, what's impressive in beating a smaller man. After Chava, it's proven Gomez never carry his Power at the higher weight class.

    I already said, Nelson was an unknown, 2 week replacement & Green fighter going into Chava fight. So what's so impressive about it??? He was expected to last 3 rds only, It end up in 14. So it's a dissapointing show for Chava coz he's expected to annihilate Azuma.

    For comparison, this is the same as Pac fighting Lucero, but in this case Lucero last for 14 rds then become great after wards. One more sample. What if Pac beat Linares when he was 15-0(I know Linares will be a future great), will you give him Props??? Will you say it's a Great win???? I don't think so!!!

    I'll post more of my research using wiki to supplement boxrec. I also review all this fight in youtube in the past. I know you kids just got it from there. I've seen history in the making. you young kids don't.:hi:
     
  3. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    not really about wins. i consider the ring age and the wars that they went thru. well i understand it was a case to case basis. and you see that morales was shot while barrera was not. i prefer to see it that morales was not yet shot up until the 3rd fight with pac (which imo is still debatable).
     
  4. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just keep quiet.

    We waited for your answers "kid" and you didn't provide any. Playing the age card is kinda pathetic. Especially since you should know so much more if your age is an indication. Don't blame everyone else because your experience as a child in the sport was limited.

    As for this laughable little nugget, let me remind you that you started a thread saying Hatton was ducking Pacquaio! And when people said he wasn't, you asked why he hadn't responded to Pacquiao's challenge if he wasn't ducking.

    NOW, you ask "what's impressive about beating a smaller man"? But you blame Hatton for not responding to Pacquiao?:lol::lol::lol:
     
  5. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I got to the part were you said that Ali was a p4p top fighter in the 80's and stopped reading. You do know that Ali's last win came in 1978 and he only fought twice in the 1980's and lost both fights. That alone tells me that you have NO FUKKING clue about the history of boxing, and there for have NO business in this thread. Outside of being a totally biased PacBacker you know dick about boxing.:hey
     
  6. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Here's what I dug from wiki so you guy can learn:



    Sánchez started his career very young, as a teenager, and he started piling up wins against tough
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    opposition. His first fight of note came against the
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    champion
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    , and Becerra proved far too experienced for the young Sánchez, dropping him in the first round, en route to a 12 round split decision. This would turn out to be Sánchez's last knockdown and loss suffered during his career.
    Sánchez kept on fighting and moved to the Featherweight division. Soon he had beaten people like the
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    featherweight champion
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    , on his way to securing a title shot at world champion
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    , a popular TV fighter of the late
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    who was an impressive fighter and had won some spectacular fights against the likes of former world champion
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    (twice),
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    . Confident and hard to beat, Lopez was beaten by Sánchez, who knocked out the defending champion in 13 rounds in
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    . Thinking it was just a case of '
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    ' (as it was Sánchez's first world title fight ever) Lopez looked for a rematch and this he got, in
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    . This time he lasted one more round.
    After defeating the young future world champion
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    , Sánchez embarked on a string of defenses against men like
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    , retaining his title each time. Then World Jr Featherweight champion
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    went up in weight and challenged Sánchez. Sánchez retained the crown by a knockout in round eight on
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    in Las Vegas, and Gómez had to return to the Jr. Featherweight division.
    With that victory, Salvador Sánchez was an unknown to the casual
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    fan no more. He became a household name all over
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    that night.
    Two fights later, his defense vs unheralded
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    was the first fight featuring two featherweights ever to be televised by
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    . He beat Garcia punch after punch, but the challenger gave honor to his nickname, an unknown fighter who lasts the distance with the world champion.
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    . The unknown Nelson came from
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    and would later become a 3 time world champion and a future hall of famer. He was unknown however, and was expected to only go a few rounds with the champ. It was an intense battle, with Sánchez managing to drop his young charge in the 7th round. After that they engaged in violent exchange after violent exchange. In the 15th, Sánchez broke out finally, connecting with a serious combination that dropped the challenger almost outside the ring. Referee
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    had to stop the fight seconds later.
     
  7. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fair enough.
     
  8. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    So? Pac was unknown prior to Barerra. Means?
     
  9. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What ta fac has Hatton got to do with this Discusion??? Diversion??? KG style.
     
  10. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    i agree on most points except comparing nelson to lucero. :lol:
    if lucero dominated after pac demoilished him, there is a comparison.

    over-all good post PacD. i just cant believe that some people are dismissing pac's accomplishment as downright inferior to sanchez without looking at whole scenario. it's not a shame to look at boxrec also but its best if you experienced it live by yourself.
     
  11. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's a foul!!! Changing my words.
     
  12. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As opposed to how popular Sanchez was having to do with his resume? Or when and where he got his name recognition? Or how much money Pacquiao makes?

    Or you not actually answering the original question I asked at any point in this thread?:deal

    And now, you notice you didn't address what I said, because it makes you look like a jackass.
     
  13. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You don't get it!!! Nelson coming as an unknown. Lucero has almost identical record going into the fight. An unknown or just chicken feed. that's what I'm comparing.
     
  14. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Which has nothing at all to do with how good a fighter they were. I believe you don't get it....he's got it, even though I don't agree with him.
     
  15. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    ever heard of an improving resume even if your not fighting? cotto looked very good after quintana beats williams.

    but as far as comparison, maybe yes. sanchez and his camp maybe don't expect a tough fight from this unknown (future great) fighter.