Pacquiao or Sanchez...Which set of wins is more impressive?

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  1. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    A combination of beating Guzman(decisively) and beating Diaz, Casamayor and Campbell would be pretty serious.

    Except for the fact that Campbell kills him, Guzman schools him, Casa's a 50/50 and Diaz is picked just for an easy win.
     
  2. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    well thanks.
     
  3. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Here's Chava's record. Check also the record of his opponent listed above, How they are perceived going into the fight.

    http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=2201&cat=boxer

    Gomez- he's moving up in weight, Chava's naturally bigger. Same as Rafa vs Izzy, Pac vs MAB, Pac vs EM.

    Nelson- Last minute replacement, in-experienced. Who's in Nelson's resume going into the fight??? Nobody!!!

    Lopez -already has some KO loses to Chacon & some Japanese bum.

    Castillo- Recently Koed by Arguello

    La porte- just look his record before & after Chava. He's no HOF.

    Cowdell- Who did he beat??? And Chava just won by SD.

    Pac's Resume is fresh from your mind- No need to explain how Greater his wins are. Forget about the Larios fight, it's just a tune-up fight.
     
  4. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Pretty much; Pac will never take the Guzman fight. Just too big of a risk with too little of a reward ($$$)

    If he did do all of that stuff you listed, I'd go as far as putting him in the top 20 all time. He'd surpass Chavez with all of those wins.
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    The classic enthusiasts would disagree with you because of not rating Campbell or Guzman as anything.:yep
     
  6. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Pacquiao's best win of the big three he's faced was his TKO11 over Marco Antonio Barrera. His other wins are either 1) against older opponents (Barrera II, Morales II and III) or 2) controversial (Marquez II).

    I'd take a green Azumah Nelson over a well-past-it Barrera or a shot Morales. Why? Because unlike Barrera or Morales, his reflexes were top notch, his speed was better than ever, and his hunger was through the roof. No skills had eroded Nelson at that time the way they did with Barrera and Morales. His only problem? Lack of experience.

    The Gomez win is the best between the both of them. He was undefeated, had 32 knockout wins in 32 fights, and was clearly a dangerous opponent. Sanchez beat him as if it was nothing. right from the opening bell. He also beat Danny Lopez twice in a masterful displays of counterpunching.

    Against his three best opponents (Gomez, Nelson, Lopez), Sanchez struggled all but once. And in the end, he won every one of those fights by stoppage (definitive endings). His wins over Gomez and Lopez x 2 were as clear as they come, all the way through. And he never lost to any of them.

    By comparison, Pacquiao failed to stop Barrera and Marquez. One of those wins was controversial, and in my eyes, a close, but CLEAR decision for the loser. He also struggled more in the middle rounds against a past-it Morales in the second fight than Sanchez did in the Lopez or Gomez fights. To make matters worse for Pacquiao, he drew with Marquez in another controversial fight and lost to Morales. Unlike Sanchez, he wasn't undefeated against his 3 best opponents.

    Does Pacquiao have a great resume? Yes, one would be crazy not to think so. Does Pacquiao's 3 best wins surpass Sanchez's? No, I don't think so.

    I will say that Pacquiao's wins over Ledwaba and Sasakul are vastly underrated, mostly because people simply don't have a clue who Sasakul is. Those wins are greater than Sanchez's wins over Castillo and Cowdell, because not only were Pacquiao's opponents better, but he stopped both. Cowdell was a good fighter, and could make just about anybody look bad, but Sanchez should have beaten him in more convincing fashion. It illustrates that Sanchez was a guy who fought to the level of his competition.

    The Larios and Laporte wins tip this in favor of Sanchez. Larios was never meant to be a super featherweight and had seen his best days. Pacquiao failed to stop him. And he really should have. Even Jorge Linares stopped Larios a year or so later. The Laporte that Sanchez fought was much better than the Larios that Pacquiao fought. That's not even disputable. And you can't hold it against Sanchez for not winning by KO, since Laporte had a cast iron jaw.
     
  7. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    No question about it:yep
     
  8. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Salvador Sanchez
     
  9. puga_ni_nana

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    good post. i am waiting for someone to explain in detail why they picked sanchez or pac.

    some points. imo morales was not shot in any of the three fights. you could argue the third but it was more mainly to weight problem. pac did stopped barrera. it was an old barrera but a little closer to a prime barrera and an improved version of his prime years. the manner of when the fights took place and condition must be given importance. who was the reigning champion? who was going up in weight? the quality and variety of styles that each faced.
     
  10. 4Rounder

    4Rounder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Only nuthuggers believe Morales was not shot in that 3rd fight. IT WAS OBVIOUS for those watching without pacman eyes.

    I was rooting for Morales and after round 1 I knew it was gonna be over soon.
     
  11. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are you blind or just Plain biased???

    Pac moving up in weight TKOing a top 5 P4P in MAB. There's nothing on Chava's resume with that matches that. This is greater than Chave winning against A SMALLER Gomez.

    Pac the only one who Koed Morales & he did it twice. That's the importance of that fight.

    Pac's the 1st elite fighter to Fight JMM, and he never played hard to get fighting an avoided fighter like JMM. He was robbed by the judge the 1st time, He won a close one on the rematch. Chava has some SD win too against a not so Great Opponent. JMM is one of the best technical fighter in boxing history. Pac winning twice in my book is a Great accomplishment in itself.

    Pac's winning the lineal 112 title against sasakul is Great in itself . Pac's was just 19 & still raw & win in shear natural talent. It's just Like Nelson who's green Knocking out Chava for the title.

    The ledwaba fight becomes Great win coz is took Pac only 2 weeks to prepare & the way he demolished a very Good technical fighter.

    I told you forget about larios. It's just a tune up.
     
  12. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    PacDbest asking me if I'm blind or, better yet, biased? There's a good laugh.

    I gave my thoughts already, and I think I was pretty fair. Certainly I'm not the only one who voted for Sanchez.
     
  13. puga_ni_nana

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    morales' weight problem was properly covered during that time. its easy to say in hindsight that morales was shot but before the fight a lot of morales backers are confident that morales can bat pac again and him getting on a weight control program could fix his weight problem.
     
  14. Antonio

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    I would like to add that sanchez was younger than azuma and gomez (azuma was never koed after sanchez fight), also there were some possible matches for salvador Alexis Arguello and Julio Cesar Chavez at 130 that if he would had beaten I have no doubt he would be concidered in the Top 10 boxers in all history.
     
  15. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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