Pacquiao or Sanchez...Which set of wins is more impressive?

without the benefit of hindsight. how do we know that a fighter was shot? for example, is pac now shot because he had a close fight with marquez? is marquez shot now because he was kd in his last few fights.

i'll repeat that i'm not an expert. i first encountered the word "shot" a few years ago. am i under the impression that we can only correctly label a fighter shot after he retires? is casamayor shot now?

 

A fighter who's reflexes are no longer close to what they were, who's body clearly no longer cooperates with the process of fighting at the level or the level below what they fought before. Jones Jr is a perfect example of a shot fighter, despite his recent wins.

The problem is, most people don't see the downslide of a fighter until he is well past it so someone saying he is "shot" always comes as a shock.

Example. MAB was past his prime before he fought Hamed. He adjusted his style a bit, much like Hopkins. Jones Jr was on the decline since 2001. No one noticed until he came down from HW. Pacquiao is currently on the decline, due to the same reasons Morales and MAB were on the decline in their late 20's.

 

Casamayor is very close to being shot if he isn't already. His legs are no longer what they were, nor are his reflexes.

Most fighters decline at a steady rate and at first no one notices. Then it becomes noticable, then you can tell they are no longer close to what they were. Then they are shot.

SOME fighter, few actually, get old overnight. It's rare, but I have seen it happen. Sometimes it's age, or lack of training (Riddick Bowe got old overnight)

 

*sigh* There are certain levels of downward sloping in a fighters career and Erik's was evident in losing to Barrera the third time out. Many were concerned about Erik going into the first fight with Pac due to the previous bouts he had.

 

jups & Huki, Answer me this, I know you guys are young & weren't born yet during the Sanchez era. How did you learned about Sanchez???

 

Very close.

I'd choose Salvador Sanchez.

 

the problem with that defenition is you have set a standard for which a fighter must perform. or it has to be a series of bad performance to know someone is shot? by your definition a lot of fighters are in a shot condition now. do you consider the barrera that fought marquez shot or way before it? how do you distinguish a shot fighter or just a past his prime fighter? am sorry for the questions but i sincerely need an answer, its not to test you or anything.

 

I agree....and only the Gomez win elevates Sanchez over Pacquiao.

 

I can assure you it wasn't boxrec, and as has been said numerous times, looking at the opponent's record doesn't fully do a fighter justice, especially considering how certain fans aren't familiar with the majority of an opponent's resume in the first place, you being a prime example.

You do your best to understand the ins and outs of Pac's resume but noone else's, which is why you're never taken seriously.

 

Answer me this. Aside from your Grandpa's story, How did you learned about Sanchez, Gomez & all those Great feathers in that era???

 

ok no need to answer my previous post. i got what you mean.
but still labelling morales shot even before his bout with pac is quite amazing to believe.

 

The fighter sets the standard over a long period of time. If over a number of fights they no longer perform to this level, they are in decline. And it is not the OUTCOME of the fight in which they were in, but how they perform in the fight themselves.

Edit: saw you understood my point of view. I am not saying it's correct. It is how I choose to see things. Some may disagree, others may not.

 

No. You answer my questions for once instead of changing the subject.

 

i see. so do you feel it was a shot morales by the time he fought pac the 1st and 2nd time? what do you think were his chances of winning against pac at that time?

i saw back then the fight, and imo it was won by barrera because of his determination and not because morales was shot or anything.

 

Watch MAB vs Morales 1 & 2. The watch the 3rd bout. There is a big difference.