Pacquiao outlanded Floyd

Some people don't understand that arm punches and slaps don't count as clean punches.

http://giant.gfycat.com/TalkativeEnviousAmbushbug.gif

Here's a prime example - not a single meaningful punch in this whole flurry.

 

FMJ fighting a shot Pac and getting outlanded hahahaha

 

Well..I would say, for example, that Ali acted as the aggressor in a lot of the fights where he was operating on the back foot, dancing or circling. He could counter, of course, but in most cases he was the one dictating the terms and initiating action even when on the move.

In the case of Mayweather, I'd say a combination of ring generalship and defense allowed May to carry most rounds, along with a few selected clean shots...more of a traditional counter-punching performance that featured his ability to command the distance through a number of different methods.

But, I think my point about back-foot fighters being aggressive in their own way is still valid.

 

Even Freddie roach said Floyd won the fight, Only pac and deluded fanboys think otherwise. Its the same type of people who let their girlfriend get away with cheating over and over and believe her when she says it was just a mistake it didn't mean anything. So much denial and inability to face the truth they delude them selves.

 

Agreed. Scoring is very subjective but one thing it's not (as you know).... it's not CompuBox stats or watching lo-res clips on Youtube and counting blows - how can you tell if some have landed or been blocked viewing in two dimensions? I always laugh when fans quote CompuBox in isolation. Partly because punch output is only one part (albeit the most important one, arguably) of how fights are scored but also because people place great value on these stats and yet we don't know who measures them and how.

Each time I read a thread where someone says 'I've watched on YouTube and blah, blah, blah' my heart sinks. If people are going to follow a sport which is assessed subjectively, at least be armed with knowledge of how those subjective views are reached and then argue a case in opposition.

 

I completely agree that back foot fighters being aggressive in their own way is valid and that's how it's always understood - but Mayweather being hyper-reactive, forcing a reset does work against him on the basis of ring generalship...and defence for that matter. Defence is 'perceived defence'. It was perceived that Mayweather was more defensive even though Pac landed so many times that wasn't given credit for - the perception is a large part of scoring.
In the end, it all balanced out a lot and they were evenly matched, Mayweather had the slight edge more times than Pac did to earn the decision, that's all. It was one of the most evenly matched chess matches I think I'll ever see.

 

You're blind, There are a number of legit, meaningful punches there. Meaningful punches does not mean a strong power punch.

 

who landed the harder shots and who got hurt ?

 

It means a clean punch, of which there are a grand total of zero there.

 

Floyd shots carried more effect over the course of the fight while Mannys little couple of left hands just got him a couple of rounds. After Floyd landed that first counter right hand in the first round, Manny was already a beat fighter. He barely threw punches and was timid over the span of the fight minus literally a couple of moments.

 

Assuming this is a rhetorical question, how have you measured which were harder and who was most hurt? And just to refresh your memory over scoring fights, I'll copy below the screenshot again. Do you now accept, looking at fight scoring in its entirety - and not merely focusing on one aspect you *might* be able to make a case in favour of Manny - that your observations in isolation of all the other factors which must be taken into account, are not relevant?

http://upgfx.com/images/2016/11/07/Oc.png

 

They're never going to get over Manny's failure on May 2nd...

 

Great profile pic btw. Them were the days... proper footballers

 

From this exchange, it is highly likely that Floyd would have benefited in the eyes of the judges who would have scored in favour of his defence. CompuBox casuals don't understand this simple fact.