*Pacquiao vs Cotto...make your pick*

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  1. ScouseLad

    ScouseLad Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I really hope so mate. My one lingering doubt is not anything bad about Cotto it's just Pac is a phenomenon, a once in a lifetime fighter. But he is human, he does have his faults so heres hoping.
     
  2. JIM KELLY

    JIM KELLY Bullshyt Mr Han Man! Full Member

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    i wasn't so nervous for the haye fight, tella lie, i was but it quickly faded away..

    hatton v pac
    oscar v pac
    shane v margareto
    nard v pavlik
    cobra v taylor
    ^ those fights of recent times i was nervous as fuk.
     
  3. threethirteen

    threethirteen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I just see Manny in the JMM rematch, completely baffled by Marquez stepping back and drawing him in. It was a thrilling fight, but Manny looked like a novice and Roach didn't seem to have any real advice other than for Manny to not let JMM back him up.

    That was the last fight where the other guy had the tools and the brain to offer Manny a challenge. Cotto, while not as good as JMM overall, is very smart and is a more versatile all rounder than Manny, because he can't rely on speed as his primary tool.

    In return though, Cotto has been slower to set his feet, leans in as he throws combos, and seems to want space to think more when he backs off.

    It's going to be incredibly tense in the early rounds while the pattern of the fight is set. Can Manny do enough damage early to cause Cotto trouble? Can Cotto do the bodywork he needs to slow Manny down for the mid to late rounds? Or will they both cancel each other out in a tit for tat exhibition.

    The more I think about it, this could be VERY like Pac-JMM II. But if Cotto's landing the bodyshots that Marwuez landed? Pac is finished.

    I was nearly shaking and, when Shane finished him off, I think i must have made my neighbours jump with the yell I let out. What a performance.
     
  4. JIM KELLY

    JIM KELLY Bullshyt Mr Han Man! Full Member

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    can this fight ever end up like the hatton/pac fight? can pac impose his power and speed so early on?
    Unless Cotto fights out of the norm..then yeah, but we all know cotto..

    good luck guys!!
     
  5. JIM KELLY

    JIM KELLY Bullshyt Mr Han Man! Full Member

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    u guys watching the pre-undercard live??
     
  6. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  7. threethirteen

    threethirteen Boxing Addict Full Member

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  8. This is 3 times now.

    Last time I was convinced Hatton was too big, too strong. After the event I put it down to Hatton being predictable and lacking in defense.

    This time. Cotto. Too big. Too strong. Tough, clever.

    Bollocks.

    I've always been a Pacquiao fan, ever since he stopped the great Erik Morales in fight 2 (in a great fight) of 3.

    But this is something else. Ex flyweight world champ totally destroys the world's best welterweight?

    Pacquiao is something special.
     
  9. Top Dog

    Top Dog Boxing Addict Full Member

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    43 percent of the folk on this site talk shite, Cotto by ko, gies peace:D
     
  10. izmat

    izmat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    LOL i think majority predicted a Hatton win over Pacman last time round :patsch
     
  11. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yet almost 35% of us know what we are talking about :D;)
     
  12. Davro

    Davro u wnt sum i`ll give it ya Full Member

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    I think those quotes goes to show that Cotto needs proper coaching.

    Roach called this **** months ago. He acknowledged Cotto's skills but knows the fight is won in management, fight planning and preparation. He said Santiago wasn't wise or experienced enough to get past his own knowledge and it showed.

    Cotto had all the ingredients in his locker to have given Pacquiao the fight of his life, if not beat him. Instead he got battered and looked hopeless. Santiago was giving him crazy advice if you listened for the translations, including "let him come to you, you're doing well" in the latter rounds (!?!). Santiago generally looked bewildered by the final rounds, and didn't strive to turn it around. He had no concept of what was happening in the ring or how to combat it. Lord knows what Cotto's fine tuned fight plan was in the first place - whatever it was went down the shitter after the second round bell.

    It's a shame for Cotto because he is so much better than that. He needed to sort himself out and get expert training and wisdom in his corner to give us a glimpse of the belting fighter he used to be. I hope it's not too late. I know Mosley and Hopkins are extraordinary in their longevity but I hope Cotto can go on for half as long as they have, and resurrect the elite glory of older times.
     
  13. threethirteen

    threethirteen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Cotto needs a trainer like Naazim Richardson, actually. A guy who develops a gameplan and designs the training around it.
     
  14. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    not like me to do it, but just wanted to gloat a little as i won't be back for a while.

    i'm on a hiatus, all the best fellas.
     
  15. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    What Uncle Roger Mayweather is saying quite clearly is that speed is not all otherwise the faster boxer of hand and foot will always win. That is not always the case as skills can offset superior speed. Meldrick Taylor was the quickest of his era but the great Julic Cesar Chavez won their showdown at 140 both at their peak because irrespective of the controversy he was the better all round fighter and I speak as a man who likes fast skilled boxers that use lateral movement. As regards PBF what Uncle Roger is saying that it is not PBF's speed that sets him apart it is rather his skills and I think he has a point. PBF is arguably the most complete fighter there has been. Sure I have seen quicker boxers,boxers who hit harder etc but pound for pound does everything and I mean everything to the highest proficiency level. As for Freddie Roach I know Uncle Roger Mayweather does not rate him as a trainer, as fighter when he fought. I can say more but lets leave it there.