Pacquiao vs Cotto or Mayweather vs Gatti????

Wow you have to be a kid.

 

I think maybe you guys put too much worth on beating the "Linear" guy, as if that automatically makes him the best of the "champs" in any division.

Boxing isn't like that anymore. Politics, corruption, and 5 somewhat recognized belts in each division has changed everything. For the worse.

Partly why I don't realy give a **** about champs, multui-division champs, or mandatories anymore. I'll take a good, solid, fighty over a title fight based on monetary fees. My 2 cents.

 

That's makes it that much more important. Look at 140 when Cotto was there no unified champ 4 titlist. Corrales WBO champ vs Castillo WBC champ= Linear.

 

Greatest fight of all-time = debatable, subjective and thoroughly irrelevant to the topic

Linear champ = a relevant achievement, but nothing spectacular. Carlos Baldomir was a linear champ too, no? Is he better than everyone who never held the linear title? Nope.

Heart of a lion = one small facet of a fighter's overall game, so not of especially great value to the discussion, no more than any other single aspect of his game such as his **** defence


Miguel Cotto

Best wins: Shane Mosley, Zab Judah, Joshua Clottey, Carlos Quintana, Paulie Malignaggi, Ricardo Torres

Won world titles at 3 weight classes

Losses: To the bigger Antonio Margarito (with handwraps), and to the p4p#1 Pacquiao



Diego Corrales

Best wins: Jose Luis Castillo, Joel Casamayor (dubious SD), Acelino Freitas, Angel Manfredy, Derrick Gainer

Won world titles at 2 weight classes

Losses: Dropped 5 times and stopped by Mayweather, two losses to Casamayor, knocked out by Castillo, Joshua Clottey




Cotto's resume is deeper, his career achievements are better, he was more consistent, and he had better boxing ability. :smoke

 

I think it did....but YEARS ago. Today, not really. And for reasons as stated. But when Cotto was at 140, there was a linear Champ in tszyu (who was the unified champ till being stripped of a couple). Two unifyuing champs don't always mean linear though. HOwever, I would give a unified champ more weight then a linear champ with a single belt. Any fighter can win one fight to be linear (Baldomir), but somene who unifies did that through a series of fights, against the top guys. Sprry if that's rambling...

 

Cotto is the more significant win, but I'd say Gatti was the more impressive victory. Mayweather made one of the all time most exciting fighters EVER look less than an amateur. Boy, what a beating.

 

That's what the **** I'm talking about!!!! Some boxing

You summed up thier careers and did things like include knock downs for Corrales but not for Cotto.

Bert Sugar who has seen 70 years worth of fights states on record that Corrales - Castillo is the best fight he has ever seen. Top 5 in most list.
Greatest come back in a round,Bar none.

Buster Douglas won the heavyweight title from Mike Tyson and lost it to Holyfield. Buster is known as one of the worst HW champs we had. But does that take away from the lineal Championship? Does it mean that the legacy is now ****? No and your Baldomir reference means nothing.

Point blank. In the history books Cotto goes down as a titlist and Corrales goes down as a true Champion. Corrales and Cotto as you just proved are clearly comparable interms of legacy as fighters. You have given Corrales the respect he deserves:good

 

Without reading through 5 pages of stuff, I'm sure it's been said a 100 times in here already, Floyd's was the more impressive performance, Pacquiao's the more impressive win.

 

Yes every situation can be different. Point being I give respect to titlist who unify to become linear more respect then I do a titlist who win vacant titles and defends them against ranked opponents of the sanctioning body. You know those bodies don't rank each others champs. So you could be titlist ten years in the division with out fighting the best 3 fighters in your division.

 

Very true. The way the orgs rank can be a friggin joke sometimes. What I will disagree on is winning a vacant belt, defending it, and it being worth less then a unified champ. As you stated, every situation is different.

If a unified champ is getting softer touches while someone who won a vacant belts defends it against more quality top fighters, i'd say he has more leverage then the unified champ. I've always said, the fighter and what he does gives the belt any worth.

 

In most cases though the tougher fight will be the other title holder and not the 10th ranked fighter for the WBO.

 

Not the greatest comeback ever though:

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John David Jackson wins every round widely in the 1994 Fight of the Year vs Jorge Castro, the referee is actually moving in to stop the fight when Castro lands a shocking Hail Mary - on the basis of how the fight had been going to that point, Castro's comeback is greater than Corrales, because Corrales-Castillo had been a much more even fight, plus Corrales cheated by spitting his gumshield out to buy some recovery time.


Oh, and Cotto was still a superior fighter to Corrales. :good

 

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Put a poll up. post that fight and Castillo - Corrales and see what ESB says. I just watched ESPN's greatest 20 And Castillo Corrales is up there. I didn't see this fight. Listen incase you don't know it's not just me that feels it was one of the greatest fights and the greatest comeback.

And Cotto still never beat a Champion for a Championship.
He is a very good vacant titlist though:smoke

 

Wasn't talking about a fighter beating guys only rankred by the Org they hold a belt in. The only ranking that is credibleis the Ring, and even that isn;t 100%.

Whether we like it or not, rankings, champs, titles, contenders...all compromised to the point of intense scrutiny and over analyzing fighters to look for flaws rather then the upside or the positive. And the flux of dumber fans coming in all the time, they don't know better, but know everything right away.

I don't see anything to fix boxing, fix rankings to reflect the actual world, or anything to ensure the top guys fight each other when they should. Promoters don't care, they're making money hand over fist. The top fighters don't care, they can pick and choose whom to fight. Most fans don't care, they want what's best for their fave fighters. I know this is hella negative, but it's been building for years.