Pacquiao vs. Cotto: Stop with the excuses Cotto

The weight of 145 lbs has never been the problem.... Cotto will fight at that weight, he won`t back off.... and Pac would fight him at that weight and won`t back off either..... SO THE WEIGHT IS NOT THE ISSUE......

What people don`t understand is that Cotto never meant to fight Pac at 145 with the title on the line..... not with the kind of money he is getting...... but I believe he will do it for more money...... IT IS CALLED NEGOTIATIONS..... You and I and others might disagree with the way many of them negotiate, but unfortunately there is nothing that we can do..... or maybe we should do something and have our voices heard.....:yep

The point is that both fighters are warriors, they are proffessional boxers but they fight for money as well and they want to make the most they can with this fight..... so far the split is 65% vs 35%..... I am pretty sure that a better offer will do it..... at the end of the day it is all about money.

Some posters have mentioned that for Cotto this is going to be his biggest paycheck of his career..... I think that that is irrelevant..... the same way that it is irrelevant when you apply for a job and during the interview you are asked the stupid and smart question at the same time of how much money you made in your last job..... I know that sounds stupid but somebody asked me that question....

Times change and situations change....... the kind of money will depend on how bad Pac wants that title.... seems to be that at the present they are trying to see what the WBO can do on their behalf.... it doesn`t look good because Cotto preety much said a few days ago that the WBO can stick the title up to their asses.....

anyway, time will tell.........

 

1 An excuse is something one makes when one doesn't want to do something. It's clear that Cotto wants to fight Pac (although he never begged, as you stated), so Cotto's made no excuses here.

2. Why is it absurd that Cotto actually tried to not put his title on the line? Team Pac didn't mention the title and demand it to be a title fight until after the fight was arranged. So, no matter what Cotto says about the belt, it's team Pac's fault that they didn't insist on the title being on the line from the very beginning.

3. Who are we to say what weight is fair about a fight? Pac is the one chasing titles (and good for him) and wanting to fight welterweights to do it, so he can't expect that every welterweight champ he faces will give in to his every demand, just because he has momentum and he's a big draw. I say if Pac wants to chase legit welterweight titles, he should be prepared to fight at 147 to get them.

4. "Cotto wanting as many advantages as possible" sounds silly. If it was Cotto's call, he would have the fight at 147. You can't say it's an advantage for Cotto to fight at 145 (which means he would have to come in around 144-144.5), as he's hasn't fought below 147 for a long time. But Cotto gives in to every Pac demand (obviously cause Pac is the bigger draw, so he calls the shots), except for the belt thing. So Cotto's real advantage in this fight will be the fact he's the naturally bigger man. In the end, Cotto doesn't have to say yes to almost everything Pac asks, it's his choice. Dumb, petty or uncalled for, it's Cotto's choice to not want to defend his 147-pound title at 145 pounds.

5. The "paper title" thing get thrown around all the time. I don't disagree that Cotto's belt doesn't mean much, but if it's a paper title, why would Pac want to get such a title? It's not like he would have beaten the welterweight champ in Mosley, or a Paul Williams. So for Pac to want to get the title, it must be of some value.

 

I can see you upgraded your 16 oz of haterade to a 2L bottle

This would be true if the fight were to take place IN BETWEEN THAT WEIGHT RANGE...but its from 141 to 145...thus making it NOT a WW fight. Im not sure how else to explain that to you. Im sure they have comprehensive learning centers around your area...if your still lost I suggest you find one quick to have them explain that for you.

This would be true if the limit was under the regulated rules of 147 and NOT 145 :good

And these have been the exceptions not the rules. Just because there have been these exceptions made doesnt mean it should be made EVERYTIME a fight like this takes place...otherwise why even bother with the ****in' rules, when fighters could just talk about catchweights in the first place for EVERY fight.

He only expressed interest after being brought forth with the proposition. What the **** is he supposed to say? "No...I dont want to fight Pacquiao...hes too small and no one would want to see that fight" :huh Then everyone such as yourself would scream he's ducking Pacman and he's a *****.

To see how Cotto WONT put his belt on the line at 145 is FAR more puzzling then seeing why he would. Cotto already agreed to the purse cut, the location, the weight, the over-weight conditions of paying 1M for every pound he's over...and now his belt too?...Im sure they he conceded to more than that about ring size, glove type etc. etc. How much does one guy have to bend over because one guys wants all the advantages over the big man.

Cotto was fine with the idea of fighting Pac in a NON-TITLE FIGHT at 145. The idea has never been brought to him to fight for his belt. So why fight for it at a BS catchweight? Roach already expressed his confidence in saying that it ultimately doesnt matter what Cotto comes to weigh-in because Pac will be too much for him so why bother with the catchweight in the first place?

Mosley, Williams, Berto, Cintron, Clottey...everyone wants Cotto at WW...he could possibly take the winner of JMM/Mayweather. Considering Mayweather claimed Cotto was on his "hitlist"...

If Marquez were to pull off the biggest upset, Im sure he'd either opt for Pac or fight a man Pac decided to opt OUT of and fight him in spite of Pac's failed negotiations efforts and spark up another Mexico/PR rivalry...

Plenty of options.

Only after being told the fight should be at 140...then at 143...then at 144. Cotto finally just said "Look man...I can do 145 and thats it. You dont like it? Then **** off." So Pac agreed. Why not just go all the way to 147? He swears like he hasn't fought there before. Unless he wants to say that his fight @ 147 with DLH was simply a circus show? :think

Pac wanted Cotto. Not the other way around. Pac told Arum to make the fight. Not the other way around. Cotto only said he'd be willing to fight him , but if he wasnt interested he'd go elsewhere.

The only fighter BEGGING to fight Pac is Mosley...and we ALLLLL know what happened there :yep

Well the difference between Mayweather and Cotto is that Mayweather is smaller than Cotto and wouldnt have too much of a problem making 140 or even something below 145, whereas Cotto does.

That's another thing too. If Mayweather blatantly called out Pac, then I'd have a problem with that, but he hasn't and neither has Cotto.

The only thing Mayweather has done is made an ass out of himself on ESPN with Brian Kenny, fake rib injuries, and talk about Pac's shitty contract with Arum which is none of his concern.


People want to point out Cotto's last weigh-in at 146, but no one pays attention to how ****in' skinny the man looks at every weigh-in. So yes...that 2lbs makes a difference. WHen you box and try to make weight...you'll understand this. Otherwise you'll spout off the mouth with ignorance about "whats wrong with the catchweights?"

 

Since when has Pac legitimately answered any question without saying something needing to consult one of his advisors...in this case his advisor for the fight is Roach.


[/QUOTE]Because he's not a real WW, that's why. Why the hell did SRL win his LHW(which gave him a then record 5 belts in 5 weight classes) title at a fight that took place at 168? Why the hell did Hoya try to become the undisputed MW champ by fighting Hopkins at 158? Again, catch weights have been a part of the sport for decades. This is nothing new. The question you need to be asking is why Cotto would suggest 145 lbs. and then say he won't put his belt on the line against a blown up featherweight. Please answer that for me.[/quote]

Lemme ask you a question? Would you accept any of these victories as legitimate?

I sure as **** wouldnt. I would say its a great win, but one with a stipulation that dirties it a bit. Is it Cotto's fault that he's not desperate for money? Last time I checked...this was an admirable quality.

"blown up featherweight": lamest argument from a desperate poster

he hasn't been close to that weight range in years. His last 3 fights he's weighed in at 147+ on fight night. Have you ever heard of a featherweight EVER blowing up that much in weight?! :huh

Dont worry...Ill wait.

 

Cotto said after betting Jennings: "I want to fight the winner of Pacquiao/Hatton"

Do you remember who won that fight?

 

Sure.

But the phrase "I want to fight the winner of Hatton/Pac" doesn't sound like and is not begging.

The only one who begged for a fight with Pac is Mosley.

 

Your excuse is gay...is the belt worth more than $$$ he will make in this damn fight!!!!!!! ffs **** the belt, put it on the line this is for all the marbles ...

 

If you were in Pac's shoes how much would you give Cotto to put his title on the line and why???

And if you were Cotto how much would you be willing to accept to put your title on the line and why????

 

COTTO DESERVES ****!! That's what i reckon.GET a deal with mosley going dump COTTO.

:yep

 

So what's the point of whining about the fight if pretty much you don't give a **** at all.

 

The Hopkins - Hoya analogy doesn't hold much water. Bernard was a spartan on a practically Vegan diet who probably could have made 154, with a confirmed cast iron jaw on top of everything else. He was also fighting someone living on their past reputation, while Cotto is lining up the current P4P #1 and a bona fide prime ring monster, and is shedding pounds that could VERY likely bring his past chin issues back into focus.

If keeping that trinket helps his career after a loss in this fight, then who are we to blame him for having his own future and best interests in mind? This isn't even an "excuse", it's just sound business sense.

I love Manny, but he isn't special enough to make 145 the new welterweight limit. I give him credit for beating Cotto at any weight between 140 and 147, but their current contract does not and should not stipulate the welterweight limit. It is, has been, and will be 147, not 145. And it's not just Cotto making this an issue. Manny wants the belt without fighting a full welterweight, and that's the bigger "*****" move IMO.

 

:good

 

Very very well put.