Pacquiao vs. Hatton in LV - makes no sense. But Dubai? WTF?

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  1. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    fighting in america might make you money.


    i do not understand the myth that fighting in america makes you a star though.

    how does fighting in front of a tv audience in america numbering 500k approx make you a star ?

    if hardly anybody watches boxing where does this star appeal come from ?

    in germany 20 million watch a klitchko fight, they sell the rights to other european countries on top and millions watch there as well.

    thats how to make a star and get recognition.
     
  2. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    germans like folk music as mainstream.

    before boxing comes on they have a 1 to 2 hour prime time slot full of bavarian types ( imagine hasslehoff in bavarian dress) doing a number with a dairy maid in 1930`s costume.

    mind you we have x factor in the uk and that is even worse.

    but even though its in jest, it fits my point exactly.

    does not matter who or what it is , when it is primtime and millions watch you get exposure and celebrity factor, when you are shown and there is nobody watching, does not matter how good/talented/superstar material/ you might be ,fact is no one is watching and out of sight is out of mind.
     
  3. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No offense, but this is another romantic view... Manny Pacquiao is HUGE ICON in The Philippines, why shouldn't he fight before his tens of thousands of fans? Why should they go to another continent? How stupid it would've been if Calzaghe-Kessler was held in Berlin or Mayweather-Hatton in Panama, because it's a neutral location and the magnitude... The magnitude shouts for a 70.000+ sport stadium whether if it's in The Philippines, the UK or in the USA, if there's a chance filling up a stadium.

    Then again: it's gonna in LV not because of the romantic "Mecca of Boxing" tale or because it's a neutral location or the California Filipino community, it's gonna be in LV because MGM or Thomas & Mack puts down money, so it's a safe bet. Which is understandable if you really care about Bob Arum's account balance, but I don't. Fighting in casinos is a horrible rip-off, because 1) you are forced to buy the tickets in a package and 2) 12.000 fans has to pay the same amout of money 90.000 would put together in a stadium.

    Arum doesn't want to put it in a US stadium to makes things clear. He's simply after the casino fee and guaranteed ticket sale and here's an official **** YOU for that.
     
  4. Morrissey

    Morrissey Underrated Full Member

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    One thing you can say about Arum, for all his deviousness and greediness as a promoter, is he still has the decency to protect his boxers from any unfair homecourt disadvantage, even if he knows the money would be bigger. He really tries to protect them as much as he can.

    And that what separates him from the likes of Gary Shaw who just because of money, will risk his fighter's chance for a victory or worse, career, as what happened to Lacy.

    If he allows Pac - Hatton to happen in England, he knows there is a great chance that Hatton might get all the advantages, from the referee and from the judges, and from the fans. In Las Vegas, it would be a neutral ground. It would be a fair play.
     
  5. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I strongly disagree. I see Vegas as much as advantage for Pacquiao (PacMan-JMM scores), as the UK a disavantage. Or look at the ref's job in Mayweather-Hatton fight. But it's really not the point and has little to do to the fact that this fight belongs to a huge stadium with reasonable ticket prices.

    Let me put it this way: this fight is for the masses not for an elite who can afford a national/international flight, a LV hotel room and an unnecessarily expensive ticket price. A ripoff, that's it. Arum knows his stuff.
     
  6. See Me Flow

    See Me Flow The Pharaoh of Boxing Full Member

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    Las Vegas rules!

    Good entertainment 24/7

    Good liquor, plenty of liquor 24/7

    Good food....at the upscale hotels

    Good looking women from around the world wanting to party and get laid :D

    Hot weather = women wearing next to nothing

    Why not Vegas?
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  7. roly

    roly Boxing Addict Full Member

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    they're fighting for hattons championship, and as far as earnings go i would say that hatton brings as much to the table as pac. remember hatton will have 1m ppv buys in the uk, i doubt manny will sell many in the philippines. this is the biggest fight in boxing not because pac is fighting or manny is fighting but because they're fighting each other. i would guess the purse will be split 50:50
     
  8. Triplesod

    Triplesod Drunk& pissed up on booze Full Member

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    Haha! Exactly what "things" did Kostya have to endure here? Ya big eejit!

    Kostya has always said how much he enjoyed fighting here and how great the fans were.

    Regarding this though, it's easy to see how people are interpreting this as another example of American bias and American-centric media. It is a shame that the fight has to be at a perfect time for the Americans, instead of a decent time for the two fighters nations.

    They should have done it in Mexico just to spite America, plus, Mexicans are wonderful boxing fans and deserve to be rewarded once in a while.

    That is if there are suitable stadiums there and I'm pretty sure there are.
     
  9. sean

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    personnally i would think twice about going to america now.

    i am not sure if the rules have come in yet, but i know they were talking about things like if you come from england and want to travel to the usa

    you have to update to a bio something or other passport if you want to travel to america and cannot go on your usual standard passport. and pay $100 for the privalage.

    you have to pay $50 to get some kind of form online to the usa dept of homeland security and do it before you can even buy a ticket.

    you can only do this online and in advance of any trip to the usa ruling out any last week descion to go.

    not sure if the retinal scan for a trip to the usa is still being consideredis it part of the passport ?

    you have to fill out a 500 page questionaire of your life .

    fingerprint on the record for life ?
    iris scan for life?
    dna ?

    when where we live in england ,we can hop on a train to france and connect to another 10 countries in a day in europe if timetables allowed and do it the same day you decide to go.


    not sure if would want to jump through so many hoops and have so much fuss to travel all that way for a boxing fight you can see on your tv .
     
  10. Triplesod

    Triplesod Drunk& pissed up on booze Full Member

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    I think Americans sometimes confuse drunken high spirits and chants with hooliganism. The two are extremely different. I'm not having a dig at the Americans for it but you haven't experienced proper hooliganism, you just know it happens in Britain, so any signs of high spirits seems to be stamped "YOBS!!", "HOOLIGANS!!" immediately.

    Yes, UK, or rather England has a terrible history of hooliganism, the rest of the World call hooliganism "the English disease" but the fact is, many of those countries are much worse than us now, hooliganism is quite rare here today and is barely seen outside of football (soccer). There have been riots and things at boxing matches, one local one I remember when 3 people were killed a few years back (Oldham) but it is very much a rarity.

    European countries like the atmosphere of English sporting events because they see it as passionate fun and NOT hooliganism.
     
  11. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Two ways of looking at it;

    Both massive stars, so really this should be held at a neutral venue. As in Vegas.

    Or

    They are chasing the dollar.

    I'll let you decide which it is.
     
  12. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its all about money theres no other reason
     
  13. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If they can make more money by holding the fight in wembley or manila then that's where they would be.

    This fight is being held in vegas because it's where they make the most amount of moolahs.
     
  14. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That is just normal BS when we have a switch at the top. It should be cleared up in a month or two.
     
  15. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your right Manny Pacquiao is an icon and so is Ricky Hatton and they would sell out staduims in their own countrys, but why should one have the "home field advantage" over the other?