This is not a bad exercise in scoring objectivity, I'll give you that, but rounds being close or competitive does not automatically mean that either guy deserves the win and people can't complain about an unjust outcome. You can win by an inch or a mile, and a vast majority of viewers had Marquez winning by more than just an inch or a round.
Correct, but this will demonstrate, that Pacquiao had a legitimate shout at winning at least 7 rounds, whether you thought he did or not, you will agree there are rounds you score for Marquez that you could give to Pacquiao and vice versa. So it my mind, that is not classed as a robbery. Now if you was to do the same for Pac-Bradley, and you will see there is no way you can give any more than 5 rounds to Bradley, therefore: robbery, even if you scored it closer.
The rounds I can't choose between are very few, and the same should go for fans and judges. Winning a round close but sealing the deal is winning the round. Closeness is not a proxy for absolute ambiguity in the winner. If I score a fight 7-5 clear, it's 7-5. Why would I be ok with the victor changing based on someone else's view that is not at all concurrent with mine? Otherwise, if judges can switch around 1, or 2, or 3 rounds and disagree with a majority of fans, what is the point of winning and losing? Most fights are competitive enough to have a few swing rounds in them; it doesn't justify incorrect calls. If you're out to prove that it's conceivable Pac could win this fight, you've already set your agenda. Close fights don't justify unjust decisions.
Yes but, if you think it's conceivable to give a round to the other guy, then it can't be called a robbery which the vast majority of the ESB forum seems to be screaming.
I disagree. You nicked it, you nicked it. And there weren't enough close rounds in this fight for it to be permissible, since Marquez won his rounds clearer. Hence the overwhelming majority of media persons, fans, professional boxers, trainers, etc. all picking Marquez. We'll see what your daily polls look like.
If it is going to be rehashed again, I like this idea. I scored the fight for Pac in a close fight. I though the cries of full on robbery around here were a bit exaggerated. I always try my best to be non biased and have scored close fights against my favored fighters many times in the past. This is a cool experiment however probably would have been better if the voting had been public.
I agree the rounds Marquez won was clear such as round 5. However using the Bradley-Pacquiao template consider this- Rd 1- Close Rd 2- Close Rd 3- Pacquiao clear Rd 4- Pacquiao clear Rd 5- Pacquiao clear Rd 6- Pacquiao clear Rd 7- Pacquiao clear Rd 8- Pacquiao clear Rd 9- Pacquiao clear Rd 10- Bradley clear Rd 11- Close Rd 12- Close Going off that I would be happy with anything from Pacquiao 11-1 Bradley, to Pacquiao 7-5 Bradley. However there is no way Bradley won 6 thus didn't deserve a draw let alone a win so that is a robbery (I scored it 8-4, giving Bradley rd 1, 10, 11 and 12, but he didn't win rd 1, 11 and 12 decisively, and 11 and 12 I gave him for effort more than anything else) however there was more close rounds in Pac-Marquez plus the ones Pac decisively won too make it a close fight and NOT a robbery.