Pacquiao vs Marquez - Who won the rivalry? (Video)

People don't want to accept it but the KO win from JMM does put him on top of the rivalry. All 3 fights were close and competitive but the KO was the most convincing win and put the exclamation point in the rivalry. I would say yes, JMM did win the rivalry.

But that is in no way a knock on Pac's legacy. He still holds a victory over JMM. Every ATG has another fighter who has their number. Hopkins had Taylor problems, Arguello had Pryor problems, Ezzard Charles had Walcott problems, Ruben Olivares had Herrera problems, Harold Johnson had Archie Moore problems. It happens.

 

It's nothing like the Jones-Hopkins rivalry. Jones was more washed up than a bottle on the beach by the time of their second fight in 2010. It happened 17 years after their first fight. Jones hadn't had a significant win in almost seven years and in the meantime had been getting brained by the likes of Glencoffe Johnson and Danny Green.

The comparisons with Morales aren't as bad, but are still a little off the mark. Morales was coming off a loss to Raheem (not Manny's fault at all, of course, as he'd already signed for the Morales rematch before this happened) and achieved basically nothing after losing to Pacquiao. On the other hand, Manny went in to that last fight with Marquez having just beaten Bradley in most people's eyes, and has had some impressive wins and performances since; Bradley x 2, Algieri and Thurman principally. I agree that Pacquiao was no longer in his absolute prime in 2012, but I think he demonstrably had more left in the tank than a 2006 Morales. And let's not forget that Marquez was 39 by the time of the fourth fight as well.

All four of the Marquez-Pacquiao fights took place on a level playing field when both guys were still considered amongst the best fighters in the world. The same doesn't apply to Hopkins-Jones.

 

Out of curiosity who do you think came out on top of the Jones Hopkins rivalry?

They are 1-1.

Was Pacquiao as far gone as Jones was by the time of the 4th fight? No he wasnt, but he was obviously undersized and his body exhausted from a decade of wars with some of the best fighters ever.

 

So more applicable would be Leonard Hearns 2? Because Hearns had a victory over a prime HOFer against Hill even later in his career.

 

If Marquez had KOed Pacquiao in the 1st or 2nd fight it would be the best win of the last 39 years. It would be better than anything since Duran beat Leonard.

But he didnt. He KOed Pac at an unnatural weight and a past prime Pac. Obviously Pac was still dangerous and a top fighter even then at 147. But there is a reason Marquez couldn't KO Pac in the first 2 fights. And I'm not even talking about PED right now.

 

Both were. Especially Pac.

 

You need to ask???? Lying there like a dead fish. KO by in 6.

 

So many excuses for pac I can't believe people still don't understand why Marquez was able to catch pac in the 4....... he had slown down that is all

 

Excuses??? More like adding perspective.

Consider this, Marvin Hagler and Manny Pacquiao are the only 2 fighters I know of who perpetually stay in their prime no matter what. But why is that? It differs for both men.

For Hagler, he needs to be in his prime to drive home the Ray Leonard golden boy narrative. Ray was the Olympic champ, the mini Ali, the next hero of American boxing. And he was great. But here is the little secret about Ray Leonard that the American media will never tell you about, Roberto Duran is a better fighter than him p4p, flat out, end of discussion. Now, Hagler was a sulky, soft spoken, quiet, spartan of a man and fighter. Who never got his due respect during his reign and prime. Against Leonard he's so worn down from previous wars he's about 60% of what he was in his prime. But against Leonard, they must drive home narrative of Leonard is the hero and the perfect fighter. He narrowly outpoints a shot Hagler, but that is never brought up. Because Hagler must always be in his prime to fit the narrative.

For Pacquiao he is a guy who by the time of the 4th Marquez fight is clearly not the same guy. He went from knocking out ATGs and HOFers to all of a sudden for years he can't buy a KO. Well no ****, he's been in 17,000 wars and was in his 8th weight class. But that doesn't matter because the boxing hipsters who love Marquez and the Pac haters who love Mayweather need Pacquiao to always be in his prime in order to drive home the narrative. That is that Marquez has a legendary win over Pac in his prime and for Mayweather haters that Pac was flat on his belly like a fish in the middle of his prime. He's clearly over the hill, anybody with 2 eyes can see it. But like Hagler, Pacquiao is not allowed to be over the hill. He's always in his prime, in order to drive home the narrative.

 

Strange that I am one of few people who thinks that the clear fights were 2 and 4.
2 - Manny won through the KD clearly.
4 - KTFO6 is undeniable.

Fights 1 and 3, you can make a case for either.

 

JMM obviously.

 

The Jones vs Hopkins rivalry is irrelevant. The second fight between those 2 should never have happened and did absolutely nothing to Hopkins' and Jones' legacy other than to even up the 'score'.

The 4th fight was needed because people wanted a conclusive outcome. Pac looked as good as ever when he fought JMM the fourth time and was on the verge of winning by stoppage had it not been for Pac being careless. Yes, Pac has had some wear and tear but was still considered as the top fighter even after the 'loss' to Bradley. JMM did what needed to be done to ensure a win and got the KO.

 

I don't know about that PBF is always seen to be in his prime more so than Pac is. Every fight PBF is prime.

 

People who comment saying marquez had no ko power til he was on performance enhancers... I'm guessing never saw any of his fights. People forget marquez hurt pacquiao in the 1st fight numerous times... Staggered him at the end of the 2nd round in the 2nd?... Hurt him with bodyshot a few times.... But nah defo can't punch for ****..utter bollox.. I honestly don't know if marquez used anything... But nothing showed up on drug tests... Innocent til proven guilty... People act like the amount of muscle marquez put on in a year was ridiculous... It really isn't.

First was a pacquiao win
Seconds marquez 115-112
3rd..no idea.. Not watched it since.... Travesty
4th..... Pacman best performance.. In defeat

I'd say marquez comes out of the rivalry looking better, I'd say alot of people feel sympathy for him cos they believe he was screwed at least once against pacman.

Pacquiao is the better fighter and better atg standing no doubt.. But the rivalry belongs to marquez.

 

I never understood people's claims of JMM gaining super powers all of a sudden. JMM has always been a hard puncher, although not a true one punch KO artist. He had 3 fights for him to finally figure out how to connect his right hand on Pac with spitefulness. Has nothing to do with PEDs.