Pacquiao wants another fight after Cotto, NOT a fight with Mayweather! LOL

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  1. hmi

    hmi Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can you enumerate to us all the athletes who were caught cheating by blood testing? You can go back to 1950's if you like. I repeat, those who were caught by blood testing and not urine testing.

    After you learn the fact, you will realize that you do need facts in order to make a valid conclusion. Thinking out of ass is not an option.

    Btw, Schaefer and Haymon agreed to a 24 day cut-off date but Floyd refused. Floyd was the odd man out there.
     
  2. ImElvis666

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    You clearly made that up didn't you. May I suggest doing something more worthwhile your time.
     
  3. gyll

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    Does not take a genius to know the system is flawed. Ask Mosley, Morrison, and Vitali. What you brought up is a moot point. Face the fact: fighters are getting away with PED use and someone has to do something about it. Don't be a sheep and act like nothing is wrong. If someone broke into your home you'd be inclined to tighten up your security system.

    Floyd wanted the tests to be as late as the day before the fight. Pac's camp came at him with 24 days. Still not willing to budge, Floyd compromised to 14 days. If you ask me, that says something positive about Floyd. If Team Pac had been more patient both opposing parties might have agreed to a 19 day window.
     
  4. PH|LLA

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    pretty sure the 14 day proposal was made before the 24 days. Floyd himself said 14 days was proposed before the mediation.

    From what I understood, Floyd's team said that Pac had taken blood 14 days before the Hatton fight, as shown on the 24/7 footage. It turned out that the blood was taken 24 days before, not 14, therefore Pac's team said they would agree to 24 days. Floyd turned it down. Pac called off the fight.
     
  5. gyll

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    I'm not gonna argue about hearsay. Any writer and type up an article and write something cute to tantalize his readers. Let's consider what's fact. Fact is, Pac needs more than 14 days to recover from a simple blood test. You gonna buy that?

    If we need to be hyper technical, I suppose there is a chance he could have some sort of medical disorder. But that's the case he should be competing in the Special Olympics, not Pro Boxing.
     
  6. PH|LLA

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    Pac doesn't wanna be anything less than 100% when he is in intense training only 14 days out from one of the most important fights of his career. Also, he doesn't wanna get bullied around by some ******* accusing him of being on PEDs

    nothing crazy about that.

    What I said isn't hearsay either, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what went down.
     
  7. hmi

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    Olympic style testing means the athletes can be tested even on the day of the event. Guess how many olympians were caught (by blood testing) using roids? This is the same system that Floyd wants to use.

    You can say that Floyd compromised to 14 days. I can also say that Pac compromised to 24 days, which btw Schaefer and Haymon agreed. But Floyd is not willing to budge in his 14 days demand. If Floyd (it's not even Team Floyd) is just more compromising, we would be able to see the fight this March 13.

    What roid is Pac using btw? What advantages did he get from using those roids in that very small window that is available to him? Will it make his chin granite. Will it allow him to hit at unbelievable angles? Did the roid make him faster? Did the roid make him stronger? Who are the other boxers who are using the same roid as Pac?

    Sometimes you have to learn to do some analysis on your own and not be a sheep and follow what someone else have said.
     
  8. gyll

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    How many Olympic boxer have declined blood tests?? None, as far as I know. If Pac is in fact juicing, why not take those tests anyway since the system is so flawed that he wouldn't get caught? This is about giving the fans what they want. Not about giving in to Floyd.

    And just what is so wrong with 14 days? Pac recently stated during his interview with Brian Kenny that 14 days is still close to fight night and would have a negative affect on him. C'mon, this guy is a pro boxer. You're telling me he needs more than 14 days to recover from having a tablespoon of blood extracted? This is the same guy who fought through a nasty cut over his eye during the first bout with Morales; same guy who didn't have a problem with training during a typhoon breakout in his country. Anything more than a 5 day window makes you suspect. It's automatic. It's been scientifically proven that having blood drawn does not physically weaken the body. Now if he had passed RANDOM blood tests in the past I would give him the benefit of the doubt.

    What roid is he using? Try EPO. It's a substance that boosts stamina ten-fold, and can actually dissipate from the body within hours, according to PED experts. Certain types of PEDs are used so that fighters can train harder and for longer periods of time.

    Will it make his chin granite? Possibly. Contact Victor Conte for more info.
    Did the roid make him faster/stronger? If he's using them, YES.
    What other boxers are using the same kind? I'm not psychic so I can't tell you who is juicing. I can however tell you Mosley, Vitali, RJJ, Tommy Morrison, and a few others have been caught....and just about every other guy in MLB.
     
  9. PH|LLA

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    The olympic style method of detection for EPO is urine testing, not blood.
     
  10. gyll

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    Even if I'm missing an arm I would still kick my accuser's ass for talking **** about me. On top of that I would get paid millions and be able to prove to all the haters I'm clean and innocent. It's a no-brainer.

    Just how important is the fight? Not that important if you ask me. Pac doesn't need Floyd. Beating him would just be extra icing on the cake. Pac's legacy is already gold. Win or lose Pac keeps his shine forever.

    Please get off that "bullying" bit. How can it be bullying when "The Bully" is willing to undergo the same tests?
     
  11. PH|LLA

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    easier said than done
     
  12. gyll

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    Conte states that the only way to catch a user is through random blood tests. You don't give a fighter a chance to study for a test. Nothing is 100% accurate as there are always loopholes. But you want to at least increase the chances of catching a user.

    It's a simple, reasonable request. Why aren't people seeing that? If Floyd had asked for a semen sample then I'd be the first one to jump into the "Let's all ostracize Floyd for being unreasonable and outrageous" bandwagon.
     
  13. gyll

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    You're missing (no pun intended) the point. The important factor is to stop crying about something petty and at least make a ballsy effort to get the job done.
     
  14. PH|LLA

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    man, the guy accepted random blood tests up until 24 days out from the fight with an additional test after the fight. He also accepted random urine tests, at any point any time.

    Is there any banned substance that Pac would actually use to enhance his performance that wouldn't be caught by such tests? At some point, you gotta think is all this really necessary or not?

    HGH like many other PEDs needs to be cycled over long periods of time and could leave tracers in your blood for an undetermined period. EPO is detected in urine tests as are most other steroids. So what is this PED that Pac, a guy who had never been suspected or caught of taking anything, would be taking? I don't see it.
     
  15. Jaguar

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    This post proves that the TS was/is a prophet.
     
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