Pacquiao would have destroyed Salvador Sanchez

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  1. analyzinfightin

    analyzinfightin Member Full Member

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    Good points. Pac was hardly ordinary at featherweight. An ordinary fighter doesn't destroy Barrera and almost defeat Marquez.

    That said, I don't know that I'd use the Wladimir/Sanders example. Unlike Wladimir, Sanchez had a very good chin.
     
  2. naykupo

    naykupo New Member Full Member

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    this is eastsideboxing, where pacquiao doesnt stand a chance in a fantasy fight.
     
  3. analyzinfightin

    analyzinfightin Member Full Member

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    A lot of great fighters have been hurt by lesser fighters early in their careers. It's not like Sanchez was knocked out like a young Armstrong, Louis, Arguello, or Pacquiao.

    The Sanchez that fought Escobar was nowhere near the Sanchez that fought Wilfredo Gomez. That is a fact.

    In recent times, Jose Luis Castillo and Orlando Salido are good examples of world class fighters (in their primes) who were knocked out early on in their careers. However, once they gained enough experienced and matured physically, they became known for having very sturdy chins. In analyzing bouts from their early days and comparing those bouts to those in their primes, the difference is beyond striking.

    Keep in mind that like many greats from the past, a significant amount of Mexican fighters turn pro at a very young age with no real amateur experience. The first 30-40 fights of their pro careers are basically their amateur experience. This is why it's not uncommon to see a world class Mexican fighter with a handful of losses.
     
  4. ryan_c

    ryan_c Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Or maybe it is just that Sanchez have never faced a southpaw again, Pac being one of the best southpaw ever I believe has a good chance against Salvador.
     
  5. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Barrera boxed the **** out of Hamed, yet I didn't see PAc struggle with him. Ledwaba was also a boxer.
     
  6. GTSK

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    JMM is also a boxer and Pac destroyed him.
     
  7. analyzinfightin

    analyzinfightin Member Full Member

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    Have you watched all of Sanchez's recorded bouts? I have.

    Sanchez was clearly a different fighter. He didn't really come into his own until Lopez 1.

    My grandfather attended that bout live at the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles. When I asked him what the deal was with that fight, he confirmed Sanchez was a young pup, and seemed off that night. Fighters can have bad days at the office. Just ask Amir Khan. Again, Sanchez didn't get stopped like many greats were stopped early in their careers.

    Keep in mind that a handful of Pacquiao's struggles pre-lightweight came against taller, skilled, orthodox, Mexican fighters such as Erik Morales and Juan Manuel Marquez. Sanchez was very similar to those fighters.
     
  8. MrMagic

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    JMM's a boxer, and Floyd white-washed him with a long lay off. What does that tell you about Floyd? Regardless of the weight disparity, Floyd proved he's head AND SHOULDERS above most other fighters in terms of ability.

    There's nobody with the anticipation of Floyd, he can anticipate anything thats coming.
     
  9. analyzinfightin

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    They fought 24 rounds and Pacquiao only won about 30 percent of the rounds. Also, are you from some alternate universe? The last time I checked, Pacquiao doesn't hold a KO/TKO victory over Marquez.

    Pacquiao destroyed Hatton.

    Pacquiao and Marquez have fought two controversial bouts that many had Marquez winning.

    Look up the word objectivity. Learn it.
     
  10. hooligan

    hooligan Millionaire Bum Full Member

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    just like he anticipated judah wen he almost went down.....i guess jmm is lightning fast maybe quicker than pac???? :lol:
     
  11. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The southpaws that Sanchez had difficulty with were tall boxers who employed lots of movement. Pac didn't fit that bill at 126. At featherweight he was still a basic one-two, come-straight-in-and-move-straight-out fighter in the same mold of say, Danny Little Red Lopez. We all know Sanchez did when faced with that style. :deal

    But let's assume that Pac's speed and aggression and southpaw might have troubled Sanchez and allowed him to forge a lead. Chava could accelerate in the second half of a fighter better than any featherweight in history, with the possible exception of Eusebio Pedroza. It was his signature, really (I always rooted against him because of that, to be honest.)

    I think over 12, there's a chance that Pac might have been able to hang on and grab a close decision. Over 15, Sanchez comes all the way back and either secures a late stoppage or pulls out the UD...the same way he tended to do in a lot of his championship fights.
     
  12. Aztecas

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    Salvador Sanchez would've KO'd Pac in the 1st round if he wanted to.
    Sanchez had power, speed, good defense, and a strong chin at the same time, and Pac cant handle all that at once.

    Heck, Morales almost KO'd Pac in the 1st round when he had him onn the ropes a few times, but didnt want to embarrass Pac in front of his Asian countryman, so he gave him the benefit of the doubt, and put on a boxing clinic on him, instead of KOing him early.

    Sanchez could've KO'd many of his opponents early, but didnt and would take them to distance cause Sanchez didnt want to fit thew stereotype that all Mexican fighters are brawlers, so Sanchez would purposely exhibit boxing skills with finesse.
     
  13. MetalLicker

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    1. Do you enjoy looking like a fool? Sanchez fought 1 southpaw. Escobar was 5'7", a full 1/2 inch taller than Pac. From the way you're talking, you make it sound like Pac is a midget CAVEMAN at 126. Pac is a skilled fighter who is still considered one of the best featherweights in the last 10 years. Lopez was a slow orthodox fighter. He is nothing like the speedy southpaw that is Pacquiao.

    2. Let's get this cleared up, because fantasy has somehow taken over reality for people on this board. The legends are 'giants', but let's not give them extra height and reach that did not exist.
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    Do you see how reality is different from fantasies?

    The only advantage Sanchez have over Pac is 1/2 inch height, that's right, 1/2 inch. So where is this rangy advantage that Sanchez has over Pac? The truth is crazy, isn't it?
     
  14. Journey Man

    Journey Man Journeyman always. Full Member

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    The thing is with Sanchez, is all his greatness is based on his true potential ;
    Could he of become a mega star? Yes
    Did he hav the talent? Yes
    Was he well on his way to becoming one of the best ? Yes
    In the end, tragically, he never did. For all we know, he may of never won a fight before, we just dont know, and its wrong to pit the Sanchez that never was in fantasy fights.
     
  15. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'll concede the point about southpaws, although Patrick Cowdell was known to switch stances from time to time. Might be where I got that from.

    Patrick Ford may not have been southpaw, but he was tall (5'10"). employed quite a bit of movement and gave Chava one of his three toughest title defenses, with Cowdell being right there with him. Both fighters didn't come straight at a fighter in the manner that Pac liked to do at 126 (and this was something Pacquiao did do at the weight), and preferred to counter-punch, which made it a tougher fight than other defenses Sanchez had.

    Nelson was probably the third toughest defense for Chava, and I maintain that this is the template to use in this fight. Azumah actually had a longer reach, and was only an inch shorter than Pac, so they're right around the same size. But, more importantly is that they would employ the same approach. Pac and the Professor were featherweights who tended to rely more upon the intensity of his pressure and physical gifts, although it could be stated that Azumah actually developed a more multi-faceted approach to fighting during his reign, while Pac only displayed more versatility once he went up to higher weight classes.

    Still, both fighters were tough, dynamic and aggressive and both possessed good power and speed. But Sanchez showed that he was capable of dealing with this approach once he reached his peak.

    It's a hell of a fight, but I'm still picking Sanchez as a result.