Pacquiao would have NEVER beaten Floyd.

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The amount he took is officially classed as being declared a medical emergency.

    USADA didn’t report it, because they basically work for their clients, where they have clauses in their contracts, which state that they don’t need to notify the local commissions.

    They also let the client write up the contracts.

    Floyd wanted a clause adding to the contract, which stipulated that he could gain a retroactive TUE if needed. Ha!

    USADA are garbage.

    They only ever caught one guy cheating.

    They also don’t test both samples and they only give a brief breakdown of their findings.

    Floyd didn’t opt for random all year round testing.

    Floyd gave them the specific dates.

    If you look into at how it all works within the body, the PEDS are consumed throughout the year, not in camp.

    That’s why saline is used in camp as a masking agent.

    The athletes use all year round, but then mask them during camp, for if they’re tested.

    It’s why random testing for the duration of one camp is useless, and why IVs are banded by both WADA and VADA.

    If Floyd had seriously wanted to have cleaned up the sport, he’d have signed up to all year round testing with one of those other organisations.
     
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  2. Pimp C

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    Not it's not sports ivs are usually given in 500 ml and 750ml iv bags. You don't know what you're talking about my two friends who are pro athletes already confirmed this with their trainers
     
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    Some are and some aren't. Not every nfl player who's not a punter kicker or qb is on the juice. You have great natural God gifted athletes out there. Anyone whose played sports can attest to it even people who have played only at high school level have seen it. There are people out there who are sick very athletically and would embarrass any in shape weekend warrior. Alot people posting on this forum haven't been around elite athletes like me and just assume they all juice it couldn't be further from the truth.
     
  4. SpeedKills

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    I was confident in Pacquiao winning prior to the Marquez KO. By the time the fight rolled around the odds favored Mayweather in my mind. People don’t mention it often but every fighter Ariza worked with in that period was like night and day, but also Pacquiao didn’t carry the same abandonment/conviction.
     
  5. box33

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    I can agree with what you mean regarding Pac at that time, though before the Margarito fight he was something else even at that time,

    Still pretty impressing a Torn shoulder ridden Manny still countered Floyd and shook him up by just simple boxing while chasing him down the whole match, while the other was cheating in more ways than one, not bad considering all the circumstance's wouldn't you agree?
     
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    It might’ve been after Margarito where my mind started changing. It was a long time ago. Whether overwork or just aging, Pacquiao did start to lose his discipline and was doing less and less S&C. Even came in soft vs Bradley I. I believe he did no S&C or had only half a camp with Ariza for that fight, though I really don’t remember the details.
     
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  7. Loudon

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    That amount is on the prohibited lists by both WADA and VADA.

    It’s officially classed as being a medical emergency.

    It has to be reported.

    We’re talking about supreme athletes in a fight which grossed over $400m.

    Everything has to be accounted for.

    Manny wasn’t allowed a pain killing injection due to an issue with the paperwork.

    Manny wasn’t allowed an injection, whilst Floyd used an illegal IV without disclosing it.
     
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  8. box33

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    Oh yeah regarding Arzia, he actually knows what he's doing as he used to push Pac hard & not let Pac dictate what he did in SC Training kind of like Shawn porter SC, he did things like swimming, explosiveness training and lifting among others while changing it up consistently in every different camp,

    Unlike Justin fortune who knows nothing besides just collecting a check from Manny, as Pac does everything himself which was primarily Running, ab workouts, leg zagging, i don't know why he continued to rehire and keeps Justin Fortune on just ludicrous,

    that's why Manny continued to be ripped throughout his career but had been steadily losing his Mass/muscle along the years after Arzia left after the Marquez bout, that was due to Manny not Strength conditioning properly & Especially with him stopping weight lifting along with no longer implementing explosive training that helped so much with his Speed & power punch,

    just go through 24/7 with Ariza & then look at the Nothingness that Justin fortune supplied to Manny it's like for a better example Day & Night , if only Roach didn't fire him he would most likely have been there atleast a little while longer.
     
  9. Pimp C

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    You act like pbf was taking roids while training for the fight and using ivs to mask peds which is ridiculous. If you're going to roid you're going to do it before the camp not a day before the fight. Stop reaching.
     
  10. Loudon

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    Once again, IVs of that magnitude are banned by the leading 2 organisations.

    Once again, it wasn’t reported.

    Athletes who use PEDS use them all year round, but not in camp.

    They get the benefit after they have stopped taking them, when it’s in their system.

    That’s how they work.

    They are masked in camp, for if they randomly get tested during it.

    We’d need to know when Floyd was tested, and how many times etc.
     
  11. Pimp C

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    He was tested many times during camp and after the fight and so was pac.
     
  12. Loudon

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    The point is: He could have had a number of IVs during camp.

    How do you or I know?
     
  13. JOKER

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    Then why wasn't Floyd okay with the cutoff that would have come at the end of camp? With 1 of those weeks being fight week? Floyd was definitely masking because he took the IV fluids a day before the fight. He wasn't in hard training on fight week. That's for staying loose with light pad work and stuff.

    It's obvious that Floyd was using PEDs all the way up until the fight and that's why he refused the cutoff.
     
  14. Pimp C

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    Log off. No steroids is going to give any benefit the day before the fight.
     
  15. JOKER

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    Then the cutoff should have been fine. But it wasn't about testing.

    :deal: