Pacquiao would have NEVER beaten Floyd.

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He didn’t know that Manny was on something.

    He had to pay a fine and apologise as he had no proof whatsoever. Nothing.


    They tested for Rios, because the Rios fight was straight after he’d publicly said that he’d agree to every one of Floyd’s demand. He tested Rios to back up his words, to show Floyd that he was serious.


    Stop with the nonsense with the IV. The saline is used as a masking agent, which is why it’s banned by WADA and VADA. You know that.

    That amount is illegal and is classed as a medical emergency, which requires admittance to a hospital. That IV was done secretly. And when USADA found out, neither USADA or Floyd’s team reported it to the NSAC.

    You also know that Floyd had a special clause written into the USADA fight contract which allowed him to claim a retroactive TUE if required.

    Come on now.

    If Manny had done this, you’d have gone mental.

    We know that.


    There was no investigation.

    It was swept under the carpet.

    The NSAC runs the fights in Vegas, yet had no knowledge of it until nearly a month after the fight.

    It’s also abundantly clear why it was swept under the carpet.

    The repercussions would have been devastating for Vegas and the sport.
     
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  2. Loudon

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    All fighters are warriors.

    It takes incredible mental and physical strength to be a fighter.

    I respect every fighter, amateur or pro, at any level.

    Floyd was a warrior.

    However, there’s different types of mental strength.

    The things that I listed happened.

    That’s not my opinion.

    It’s all factual.

    Floyd simply didn’t believe in himself as much as what he should have done. He doesn’t possess that supreme level of confidence that a guy like Tyson Fury does, despite the fact that Fury has mental health issues.

    The brain is extremely complex.

    Floyd wasn’t a confident guy. If he had’ve been, he’d never have done the those things that he did.

    He didn’t want to fight Manny earlier, because Manny was a threat to his ego and his undefeated record.

    Why don’t you ask yourself this:

    If Manny was so easy, why did Floyd even need the testing?

    None of Manny’s other opponents had an issue with fighting him.
     
  3. Loudon

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    This is not the case at all.

    I’ve always respected Manny, but I’ve never really been a fan of his.

    I’m also convinced that Floyd would have beaten him whenever they’d have fought.

    There’s no emotional bias from me.

    Floyd was the better fighter.

    However, it’s terrible that after years of racially abusing him and slandering him, that he took PEDS himself. And you know that he did. Nobody takes that amount of IV in secret, when it’s on the banned list. Nobody does that, and purposely withholds it from the commission.

    Floyd had been a professional athlete for almost 20 years at that stage.

    You know what went down.
     
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  4. Loudon

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    They failed to reach a compromise so went their separate ways.

    You always claim that Manny ran away to fight another fighter.

    You can only look from that one perspective.

    We can also look from other perspectives too.

    If Floyd had acted differently, he wouldn’t have gone and taken that other fight.
     
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  5. Ducklerr

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    Why are we arguing about which one of them used PEDs when both are prolific PED abusers.
     
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  6. Loudon

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    I agree that Floyd fought a much better version of Oscar.

    Oscar looked awful after against Steve Forbes, and he only rehydrated by 2 pounds for the fight with Manny, when both Freddie Roach and Floyd Snr, were expecting him to rehydrate by anything from 7-14 pounds. That was a huge shock, and Oscar looked ill. Now maybe Manny would have beaten Oscar like that regardless. But Oscar definitely looked ill. I think many people were shocked after the weigh-in. Roach actually thought that’s he’d rehydrate more than normally, as he was making a weight that he hadn’t hit in years.


    Regarding Ricky Hatton, I too don’t criticise Floyd for not fighting Ricky at LWW. Because he’d moved up to WW by then, and he’d just fought Oscar in May, at 150 pounds. So there was no way that he was going back down to 140 pounds in November.

    Floyd was the consensus P4P no.1, so Ricky had to make the concessions.

    However, Ricky has admitted that he was never a WW, and he only fought there to pursue Floyd.

    Maybe a fight at LWW would have played out the same. We don’t know. But Ricky was at his best there, both physically and psychologically.


    What happened in 2005?

    Ricky had beaten Tszyu then.

    When did he duck Floyd?

    I can’t recall that.

    Can you elaborate on what exactly happened.
     
  7. turbotime

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    Yup. No way Pac wins.
     
  8. Loudon

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    Remind me what Oscar was doing at the time.

    Floyd called a lot of guys out.

    He called Winky out. But we know what happened there.
     
  9. Loudon

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    It was so frustrating to watch.

    Oscar did well.

    He just faded from the 9th round.

    So frustrating if you were a fan of his.
     
  10. Loudon

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    But there was never any proof that Manny was guilty.

    Only suspicion.
     
  11. Pimp C

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    You're speculating what went down I know what pro athletes do I'm friends with several of them have gone on vacations with them and have seen them train. I know more about this than you an iv for recovery is common.
     
  12. Ducklerr

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    The two of them had bloodstreams more contaminated than a Mexican pharmacy.
     
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  13. Pimp C

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    Hatton and cotto sat ringside for pbfs fight against gatti. Pbf schooled gatti and pbf wanted Hatton next. He tried to make the fight but Hattons team said they're weren't ready and turned him down he then moved up because he couldn't get a shot at Hatton and the lineal championship at 140.
     
  14. JOKER

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    And ILLEGAL in boxing due to it being a popular method of masking PEDs.
     
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  15. Loudon

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    An IV of that magnitude in those circumstances isn’t common.

    It’s banned for good reason.

    We also know that Floyd is in incredible shape all throughout the year, where he walks around just above his fight night weights.

    He’s extremely disciplined and lives the gym life.

    So you know that he couldn’t have been dehydrated to the point of needing that.