Pacquiao's abilities vs other modern HOF fighters - giving him his due

Yes, but a fight only becomes a "war" when one guy does not have the quality to get the other guy out of there, or drive him back into survival mode.

Pacquiao went to war with Barrera.... Barrera crumbled.

Pacquiao went to war with Hatton... Hatton crumbled.

Pacquiao went to war with Cotto... Cotto crumbled.

etc.

Morales went to war with McCullough and Chi... and was dragged into a back-and-forth war because he didn't possess the quality to dominate/destroy them.

This isn't rocket science. :smoke

How many excuses can be squeezed into one paragraph?

1 - When Barrera fought Jones, he was 43-0, had made 7 or 8 defences of his world title, and was fighting at his prime weight. Barrera was p4p ranked at the time he fought Jones, and was a well-rounded, complete and very highly rated fighter.

When Pac got KO'd he was still a flyweight, and was a long way away from his best weight and his fighting peak, as Roach hadn't started developing him as a fighter yet. He was green as hell, very inexperienced, and very raw and one-dimensional.

Completely, completely different scenarios. Anyone with any boxing knowledge would tell you this. atsch

2 - What happened when Barrera fought Pac second time then? He had an excuse-free chance to even the score, and Pac won nearly every round. :smoke

Marquez did indeed show counterpunching quality in his fights with Pac. He also showed a pretty open defence, which resulted in him getting dropped 4 times, and going 0-1-1 (and the draw he only got because of a scoring error by an inept judge).

But showing some nice counterpunching is not comparable to everything Pacquiao has done in the ring.

Pac's resume is much, much, much stronger than JMM's, his in-ring achievements are much, much, much better than JMM's, and right now Pac is a much better fighter than JMM ever was.

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I guarantee I have seen more and know more about all of these fighters than you ever will. :good

I have some questions for you, which should enlighten you as to how wrong you are here:

- If Barrera, Morales and Marquez are all better than Pacquiao, then why is Pac 5-1-1 against those three? :huh

- If Barrera, Morales and Marquez are all better than Pacquiao, then why were none of those three ever considered the pound-for-pound number 1 in the sport, whereas Pacquiao has been there for 3 years? :huh

- If Barrera, Morales and Marquez are all better than Pacquiao, then why has Pacquiao built a stronger resume than any of them? How has Pac been able to beat better fighters and avoid the many close fights with lesser opponents that those three fighters had? :huh

- If Barrera, Morales and Marquez are all better than Pacquiao, then why is history going to remember that Pacquiao is by far the better fighter than any of them? Is it luck? Is it a conspiracy? Or are you an idiot?

- If Barrera, Morales and Marquez are all better than Pacquiao, then why were all incapable of using their skills to defeat much bigger and stronger men on a regular basis? Pac's ability allows him to step into the ring vs much bigger men like Margarito, Cotto and Clottey, and absolutely dominate them?
By contrast, JMM struggled big-time with Juan Diaz at lightweight, and Barrera and Morales never even tried to go even as far as lightweight until they were well past their best. Do you think any of these three guys had the ability to step up and brutalize much bigger guys in their primes???

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Congratulations on a thoroughly irrelevant and feeble reply :good

 

Yawn. He beat the **** out of Barrera, and has achieved much more in his career, and is the p4p#1 whereas Barrera never was. Next. :smoke

 

What a gimp.

Yeah, Junior Jones beat him in '97, then Barrera retired, then came back, then had a fight with a peak Erik Morales which many people thought he won, then produced arguably the performance of his life to take the zero of Naseem Hamed, then beat Erik Morales...

...and then, six years after facing Jones, Pacquiao won every round against him and dominated him.

So Jones didn't soften him up enough for Morales to be able to dominate/destroy him in '00, nor enough for Naseem Hamed to knock him out or even make it a close fight with him in '01, nor enough for Morales to avoid defeat against him in '02...

...but by 2003, he was miraculously re-softened up again. atschatschatsch

What a FAIL.

Owned. :smoke