Pacquiaos calf muscles are so freaking huge! Both fighters look very sharp in

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  1. bballchump11

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    Myofibrillar Hypertrophy is a type of muscle development (the other being Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy). With Myofibrillar Hypertrophy, you’re enhancing the actual size of the muscle fiber as more and more myofibrils are added to the tissue. This is actual muscle fibers, unlike Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy in which fluid is added inside the muscle cells.

    These myofibrils are able to contract during exertion. The more you have of them, the more power your muscles can summon when they need to actually perform work: lift weights, push something away or pull toward you. This is pure added physical ability, which is why Myofibrillar Hypertrophy is the type of muscle growth powerlifters are aiming for.
     
  2. lefty

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    This is why I get pissed off. You, yes you are dumb as ****.
    Power can't literally start at the feet, it's simple physics. Action-reaction, you need to push against the ground. You aren't just plantar flexing your feet and going from there you dopey ****.
    Don't talk about the 'science' of punching because you're absolutely clueless.
    My explanation before told you everything you need to know to put the issue to bed and it went straight over your head.
     
  3. lefty

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    :lol: People are most definitely not smarter than I think.
    Muscles don't work the same, and no individual muscle being trained in a certain way could make any sort of difference to athletic ability.
    Muscles work in coordination with each other, the tendons and most importantly the nervous system.
    It does bother me because people don't understand really basic **** and then talk on the issue as if they have a clue.
    Then someone like me who actually knows something as they've studied sports science and biomechanics at university explains it for them simply; and they still don't have a clue.
    People are even dumber than I give them credit for.
     
  4. Flexb

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    Ok, I'm wrong. Punching power doesn't start at the feet. :lol: It starts with the ****. The **** forces the balls to squeeze thus equating time under tension resulting in power.


    The Secret Of Punching Power: The Kinetic Effect

    Posted on May 30, 2011 by admin
    Developing powerful punches is a vital skill for any fighting system. Like any skill if you break down the whole process into small steps you will progress very fast. And as with any step-by-step process, you have to start somewhere, right?
    When it comes down to generate devastating amount of power with your fists there is a specific science behind it called Kinetic Energy. Kinetic energy is the energy of motion.
    Here is the definition from the Wikipedia: The kinetic energy of an object is the energy which it possesses due to its motion. It is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its stated velocity.
    And here is how all this fancy science has been applied to fighting.
    The Falling Step: How a small man can knock out a heavyweight dude
    The concept of the falling step was first explained in simple terms by Jack Dempsey in his boxing manual “Championship Punching”. I think he actually came up with the name of falling step but I’m not so sure on that. Anyway thanks to Jack Dempsey any regular guy could finally study and learn how to develop a powerful punch.
    The basic idea is to step while punching so that you can put the whole body into the punch and amplify its power by pushing off or “springing forward”. So as I mentioned in my previous article structure and footwork are the keys to develop tremendous power in you techniques.
    Here is how Jack Dempsey describes his “falling step” in his book:
    “Let your arms dangle loosely at your sides; you won’t need to use them yet. Bend your body slightly forward as you shift your weight forward onto your front foot so that your rear foot is resting only on the ball… Now without any preliminary movements take a long, quick step forward with your front foot toward the object at which your front foot had been pointing at. I emphasize ‘no preliminary movement’ before the step. You unquestionably will be tempted to shift some of the weight…NO PRELIMINARY MOVEMENT! Just lift the foot and let the body fall forward in a long, quick step
     
  5. Flexb

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    You studied at university? WOW! Give yourself a fuking medal. :roll:
     
  6. lefty

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    Heavy squats and deadlifts to increase the stiffness of the tendons and the strength of the muscles, plyometrics to increase the efficiency of those tendons.
    Really any high volume of work is likely to increase the stiffness of the tendons at joints being used (running included), at the hips and shoulders you need a large range of movement in boxing so it's important to have compliant tendons. Compliant tendons don't need as much force to stretch them and don't recoil with as much force compared to stiffer tendons.
    To make tendons more compliant make sure you perform dynamic stretching and maybe ballistic stretching before every session with static stretching after training. Tendon stiffness and compliancy isn't the same thing as flexiblity or range of motion, it's to do with the actual properties of the tendon. The properties of the tendons at the joints need to be matched up with the needs for the sport.
    At the shoulder in boxing the tendons need to be stretched easily throughout the full range of motion, if the tendons there are stiff it uses too much energy to extend your arms quickly and you lose the power generated from the legs and hips, as well as tiring you out easily.
    Because of that remember to perform dynamic stretching of your shoulders all the time, your tendons will get stiff easily at the shoulders from boxing.
    Dynamic stretching and plyometrics also help to limit the heat energy lost through the recoil of tendons, very important.
     
  7. lefty

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    :rofl


    :rofl:rofl:rofl Kinetic energy is 'fancy science'? :lol::lol: You are extroadinarily ****ing stupid.
    If any part of the body is bent you need to push against the ground to move, Dempsey isn't going to explain it in biomechanical terms is he you dumb****. Just because you can't see what's working doesn't mean it isn't, There's a countermovement in every movement.
    The 'falling step' isn't designed to be a 'power punch' anyway, it was a punch to take his opponent by surprise. There's a reason why you don't see it used often.
     
  8. lefty

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    What do you do? Work at a maccas drive through and try to lecture physics professors about this fancy new thing you heard of called an Atom
     
  9. agila2004a

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    ask the floyds. they are the experts lol
     
  10. Flexb

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    BAWAWAWA! But a fukin university student has it down pat, right? :rofl
     
  11. Flexb

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    SO enlighten us. where does punching power start?
     
  12. lefty

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    Alright my friend, you seem to be having trouble with this so you may need to give your Drive-thru manager a call so you can take off your weekend shift.

    Read carefully........

    Newton's third law of motion.... action-reaction.... Look it up on wiki, or anywhere. Read it until you understand it. If you're having difficulty understanding how it is relevant, try to remember that the two bodies reacting against each other are 1. The person, the boxer. 2. The big rock we're standing on, also known as the 'Earth' if you want to use fancy science words.

    Read what I said earlier, I know you didn't understand it then but here it is again:

    "During high speed movements like throwing a punch you need to bend your knees, as you push into the ground and extend your hips the muscles are compressed and contract rapidly which lengthens the tendons. The achilles tendon is lengthened very early on so it recoils rapidly at the end of the movement. The calf muscles shorten early on and by the time the achilles tendon is providing the power causing you to explode off the balls of your feet your calf muscles are working nearly isometrically and providing basically no power by themselves."

    The key part here that relates to Newtons third law is "push into the ground". Without pushing into the ground the earth isn't going to move you.
    'Punching starts at the feet' is a commonly used boxing phrase to help boxers understand that they generate power from the thing they are standing on.
    To do that you need to push against the thing you are standing on.

    The more force you put into pushing the earth the more force is going to bounce back and travel up through your feet, which you can then transfer (more efficiently if you are coordinated) by rotating your hips and letting the energy travel up through your shoulders and through the end of your fist onto your target.

    I don't know how to make it any more simple for you buddy, I really don't.
     
  13. Flexb

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    This is what I was essentially getting at though, without all of the science. The only error is that I said the power starts at the calf muscle, pushing from the ground.
    I don't know why you try to blast someone just because they didn't study this in university. I wasn't really that far off. I did say it generates from feet, hips and arms. Obviously most of us here don't have the science down but can still formulate a fairly accurate assessment of what is happening. You should ease up a bit. A simple conversation shouldn't turn into pointing a gun at someones head just because they haven't studied the science.
     
  14. bballchump11

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    look at charles barkley, he was short but a great rebounder. why because of his legs. he just used his legs to push u out of the way