Pacquiaos calf muscles are so freaking huge! Both fighters look very sharp in

That's what I thought too but I didn't go to university much less study that **** so what do i know. :huh I guess it's recoil of the achilles tendon rather than the calf as Lefty pointed out going by his in depth studies. It certainly feels like the calf to me and always thought muscles contracting generated strength or power as opposed to the tendons. But I guess I'm wrong.

 

lefty knows his stuff. but back to the tread topic,

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Traditionally, the power starts specifically on the big toe, and travels thru the foot and onward.... you forgot that too.
There's an alternate beginning, but only if you have a rather long middle toe, you can start and pivot from the point of that toe instead...

Its rather funny peeps getting heated about really symantics, with both meaning the same at the end...

and no, just because you specialize & knowledgeable in one specific area doesnt make you intellectually superior than everyone else. Im sure someone else can ramp off about their specialty, all the while condescending and demeaning everyone else - good effort though...

 

Pac's legs generates speed and power. More so speed with speed you can generate power with those thick thighs.

 

Yeah you were wrong, you should appreciate that you received some free education in this thread. What I told you is pretty basic stuff, I hope that in the future you aren't so resistant to being corrected. Muscles more so for strength, tendons more for power. You're welcome.

 

I hope you're joking about your toe nonsense...
If you think we're saying the same thing then you are also clueless. Semantics was the word you were looking for.

I was polite at first but even after I provided a complete explanation that anybody can research and find on their own these guys still hold on to their silly views.
Ask questions if you don't know, you don't just repeat what you believe when you don't actually know or haven't done any research on the topic.
I don't specialise in just one area for the record and I don't disrespect people unless they are the breed of stupid person who refuses to learn. Stupid people don't bother me, but people who are actively nurturing their ignorance by being stubborn and prideful annoy the **** out of me.
My mother was one of those people so that's why I probably get overly heated in situations like this. My apologies.

 

Pac moves so well it scares Void to death....................

 

Those crazy inclines where he runs clearly has a lot to do with his calves as im sure it does with most of the fillipinos who work manual labor or on a farm

 

Holy fuk :roll:

 

Yes, pushing off a surface with the achilles tendon is clearly involved. Yet when you are doing calf raises, the calves add to that upward impetus, it's both muscular and tendon strength, it's not all achilles tendon doing the calf raise. If you are angled forward you can employ that power. Or is it only "up" that you can push hundreds of pounds? there is no way on earth to harness that pushing power forward or apply it at any other angle?

And ultimately who cares. In this thread we learn that muscles can't add to the force of a movement, and that simply isn't true. The surface you push on, the tendons, and the muscles all contribute.

It's a big mistake to post in this thread though. I'm already regretting it.

 

Well, as the saying goes, "Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge but he who hates correction (or being corrected) is stupid (or a fool)." :good

 

Yeah.

Most of the time, it's opposite side of the court where the opposing player took the shot, and bouncing half of the distance from where he took it.

Lots of times, not always.

So just keep anticipating, keep moving, and prepare to box out and block/screen any player with your whole body, keep him on your back, once the ballhandler releases his shot.

If you do it well enough, you don't even really have to jump.

 

The achilles tendon does **** all during slow pushing. In a fast movement it recoils and transfers the energy into the ground resulting in the energy bouncing back through your body.
Doing a calf raise is nothing at all like throwing a punch, it's a slow movement that is not powerful at all.
Strength and power are not the same thing, strength is a part of power with velocity. When a movement is slow the tendons stretch and recoil very slowly so provide very little input towards force. You can squat 200kg and you can do a squat jump without any weight.
Guess which movement produces more force when measured by force plates on the ground?
The squat jump, it's not even close. Muscles play a large part in force applied during a slow movement but during a fast movement they are there to support the tendons, the tendons recoil and apply forces far far greater than the muscles could produce by themselves in the slow movement.
Obviously muscles work with tendons but muscles don't just all contract and a movement is performed. They need to contract at the right time in the right order so the tendons can develop the power. The calf isn't lenthening or shortening at the point of force being applied in a sporting movement, it is nearly isometric and the recoil of the achilles tendon is responsible for the powerful plantar flexion. In a calf raise the calf muscles are being lengthened and shortened, the force is applied slowly because your calf muscles are causing the low force (yes,even if the number is 500kg) plantar flexion.

Fools like you look at muscles and think that it means this and that about the athlete. You dont understand the body or movement.
Rate of force development is far more important than absolute strength in a powerful movement.
There's no relevance in being able to squat 300kg in 3 seconds if the movement you're training for requires you to apply the force at 0.2 seconds. The squat helps a lot of different things but it doesn't have a direct application to the movement, it's there to support the powerful movement.
To reiterate, the calf isn't pushing anything up in a fast sporting movement, all it does is provide isometric stability at the point when the achilles tendon is recoiling and exploding the foot into plantar flexion. The calf muscles are slow and strong. The larger muscles that are proximal to the trunk are obviously more responsible for working on the tendons that produce power if you have any understanding of levers and momentum.

You look at a calf raise and think that the movement is somehow related to throwing a punch. The speed of a movement makes all the difference between the relative contributions of muscle and tendons during the movement. You're clueless Aramini, I've had this convo with you before and even after reading this thread you still don't get it.
I hope that you now understand, if you don't know after all this **** I just typed out I don't think you'll ever know.

 

Exactly :good