Pacquiao's pound for pound status if he losses to Mayweather.

It all depends what your criteria are and what your opinion of the controversial Marquez series is. For me I rate Marquez over Pacquaio now because I had him winning all 3 fights and rate his reigns at 126, 130 and 135 highly.

But remember Pep lost several times in his 20s to Saddler, people do say he was past prime though but by how much? He also failed when he tried to goto LW in his prime

Armstrong has many losses, people say he was past prime when he lost to Zivic but he wasn't really that old. Armstrong also never faced top WWs like Burley, Cocoa Kid and Holman

Archie Moore lost to the best fighters he fought too over multiple divisions.

All those men are in most peoples top20s so Pacquaio losing to Mayweather doesn't necessarily rule him out of a top20 list

 

I think people overlook his opposition. It depends how much you value opponents like Norwood, Chris John, Gainer, Polo.

Polo was shafted in all his title fights, deserving wins over Harrison, Chacon and maybe Gainer

Norwood was very skilled, although I think I had Norwood edging that one

Gainer managed to beat Norwood and a difficult opponent that JMM dominated

John an unbeaten prime mover who still has only lost to JMM (unofficially)

Juan Diaz was top 3 at LW and had previously unified against Julio Diaz and Freitas making both quit

Katsidis had 2 very close fights with Diaz and Casamayor

HE fought Medina with Medina having 2 good performances, he lost controvsially to Tapia and beat Harrison.

Peden went onto beat Nate Campbell twice

Salido would go onto KO Lopez last year

Juarez had a controversial loss to Barrera and a controversial win over Raheem who in turn dominated Morales

Casamayor and Barrera are A Listers, past prime but both put on good performances, incidentally both the same age as Marquez

Then look at his dominance, outside of Casamayor, MAB, Pacquaio and John he barely lost a round

 

Currently I still have Pacquiao @ #1 & Marquez @ #2 , if Pacquiao loses more decisively than Marquez then they will swap places between them .

 

It depends a bit on how Pac performs in his next fights. Although he's obviously still very good, against Marquez III he looked a lot slower than he normally is. He also threw something like 30% less punches than normally at the same weight. Might be that he's getting old or that his preparation wasn't good. If indeed he slows down more, than the last Marquez fight is more forgivable. Plus, he fought a stupid fight where he was very timid early on, which has proven to be his strongest time when fighting Marquez.

I know that styles make fights, but I do think it should be noted that Mayweather easily outboxed and outsped (depite being bigger) Marquez.

 

I wouldn't say Pacqiuao is a top 20 ATG anyway.

 

Just the sort of agenda-driven, biased, twisted, unjustifiable bull**** that has become your trademark.

 

FIXED

JMM 3 Pacquaio 0

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:rofl

 

Embarrassing yourself again I see. Ranking Marquez over Pacquiao is the same as ranking Frazier over Ali - it's unjustifiable, unless you're a biased blinkered idiot. Then again, you rank Marquez over Arguello so it's not exactly out-of-character stupidity, just the norm. :good

 

In general that's true - a master boxer doesn't allow you to get your punches off, you start to doubt more, look for new openings, and in the meanwhile, he's winning the rounds.

Still, there are two factors that make me doubt that reason (even if it's partially true):
-Pac's punch output in the first two fights was much higher, even when you compensate for the lower weight.
-During a lot of the fight, you'd see Manny do nothing at all, or throwing flicking jabs. Marquez wasn't just hitting him with counter punches, he was also landing good shots/combinations when leading.

Indeed the Margarito fight was fairly recently, but this was quite a brutal fight where Pacquiao shipped significant punishment, also to the body. That, plus age, and a lot of Mexican wars can make someone age (somewhat) overnight.

But yeah, we have to see.

 

Isn't that always the case with avoided fighters duking it out with the other top avoided fighters though? Obviously Pacquaio is a champion in more classes, doesn't he have the record for weight classes? But many will rate 1 weight champions like Pep, Ali, Louis, Hagler etc over him. Saying 3 weight classes isn't enough is pretty harsh, especially as by your scoring you'd have him a 4 weight champ over a span of 5 weight classes

The most comparable fighter to Marquez is probably Hopkins, an avoided titlist fighting all his top contenders (who'd fight him) in his own division for many years before finally getting the big fights in his mid 30s. Both have amazing longevity and both have shocked the world several times. Both suffered close controversial decisions. I'd actually give Marquez a shout to be on par or above Hopkins, his FW comp is arguably better for 1 and Pacquaio is a better opponent than Hopkins has beaten. Maybe not quite I'd have to think about that one.

 

a fair comparison

still, i can't see marquez above pac. even if you give marquez 2/3 or 3/3 wins over pac (I don't), it'd be a tough argument imo