Pacquiao's ranking as an ATG if/when he beats Floyd?

Thats exactly my point

 

Top 30? you guys gotta be joking. Pacquiao has achieved that ranking already after demolishing dela Hoya, Cotto and Hatton.. Tell me any fighter who has achieved what Pacquiao did..8 world title in different divisions. Pacs resume consist of who's who in boxing..the best in its era. If he beats TBE then undoubtedly he should be in top 10.

 

Pac is around 50-60, maybe 60-70. The knockout losses have him ranked around here. He moves up a lot if he beats Floyd.

 

Not sure I agree about the top ten ranking.
More "world titles" and divisions nowadays so......

 

Fighter of the decade. 12 decades of history.

If we were to average out stats, he is already top 12 even if this was the worst decade, which is unlikely.

Funny thing is Pac was already considered an ATG before he moved up to beat ODLH being a 5 weight division champ with 3 lineal championships and had MAB, Morales, JMM, Sasakul and Ledwaba on his resume. People argued he was gonna be top 5 ATG if he could do the impossible and beat ODLH. lol.

Then of course after he does it they back out, and after he beat Cotto most people inlcuding the most bias for old fighters Bert Sugar had him lock for top 20 of all time. Since then he's done a lot more. Beat Floyd would make him arguably the greatest of all time.

Name me any other fighter whos beaten an ATG p4p #1 10 weight divisions up from their first championship or even at their weight limit ie Duran at MW? I mean RJJ beat Ruiz at HW but Ruiz wasnt even top 50 p4p. All these haters will say top 20, 30 now but history will reflect back and have him minimum top 5 ATG.

In fact I would argue he is greater than Ali based on resume alone. Think about it in a non bias logical way.

 

^^^ there might be only one fighter of the decade per decade, but I can guarantee you from the 1920's-1980's, there were MULTIPLE ATG's campaigning at the time that would trump either of these men's resumes.

Look at the 80's alone. Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Roberto Duran and Chavez sr all campaigned during that decade. Obviously only 1 of them could receive the label FOTD.

Your notion that pacman is already a top 12 all time because he was named the fighter of the decade for the 2000's is nonsensical and baseless. I can name 20 guys with better resumes than his, easily.

 

Yes of course hence why I said "statistical average" cos after all that is the true objective way to rate it. I mean dont you think it would be a coincidence that our decade of boxing just happens to be the worst in 120 years that even the best fighter of this decade wouldn't make top 3 in any decade for the past 12 of them? Or more like we have bias towards past years gone by? I think its more the latter.

Hagler is one of my favourite fighters ever, I was named after him, but Pac is greater than him. Think about it. Who's the biggest name on Haglers resume? A bloated Duran? Hearns at MW who was never that great to begin with at MW? Pac's win over MAB alone is greater than those wins. He has something like 12 title defenses but Pac has 8 different weight divisions..lol.

In recent memory, the only fighters arguably greater than Floyd and Pac is SRL and Duran. RJJ is close but his resume is too thin, a case could also be made for Chavez and Whitaker but both Pac and Floyd have better longevity (both champs for nearly 20 years), both climb up higher in weight divisions, both held top p4p spots for longer, both are still top of their game despite being 6-10 weight divisions north and 36-38 years old respectively. When you really break it down, these guys achievements are phenomenal. SRL was long retired at 32?

 

You are a fan boy. Of course you see things that way. Boxing has a long history with many great fighters and even ranking Pac in the top thirty is being generous in my eyes.

 

Yea, but what hurts Pacman is his 4 fights with Marquez, DLH shot to hell, and really his most important wins his opponents weren't any where near their best. With the exception of Barrera and Bradley. Not even Floyd deserves to be in the top 20 either, but media might most likely place him there too.

 

Ali's 3 fights with Norton dont hurt his legacy, I don't see why Pac's 4 fights with JMM would hurt his.

Pac arguably has a better resume than Duran, unless that 1 win Duran has over SRL trumps an entire resume which just isnt the case. Duran is so beloved because he beat the odds in the Barkley fight, even though Barkley by todays standards is a B level fighter, not an elite fighter even of his time by any stretch. Yet Pac has beaten the odds many times before in similar underdog shock factor.

People are just very bias with their rankings, you sit down and look at the paperwork carefully, Pac is easily a top 15 currently, perhaps even top 10.

 

Duran wasn't a suspected cheat, he wasn't knocked out multiple times by bums, and he beat a legend. Pac is a top 60-70 fighter at best. Closer to 70.

 

You're re****ed. Suspected cheat based on the fears of one man doesnt lower his legacy. Guess what Ali is considered top 3 ATG and many considered his "phantom punch" on liston a suspect mob job. He also been suspected of loosening the ropes.

Duran was destroyed by Hearns, brutal KO too. And you will hold a KO over a malnutritioned Pac? Pac went up the tough way, unlike pampered olympian Floyd.

 

Nothing wrong with Pac but I wouldn't be comparing him H2h with Duran, he's not THAT good. You can talk about Duran getting knocked out by Hearns, but let's see Pac even get in the ring with a guy like Hearns. And I can say with 100% certainty, that the punch that Hearns hit Duran with was far harder than the one that KO'd JMM.

And Barkley might be a B level fighter, but he did beat Hearns twice and he's much much bigger and more powerful than anyone Pac fought, and Duran lasted the distance and almost beat the legendary Hagler, that loss may be greater than any of Pac's wins.

Duran, also started off at 118, so he moved up at least as much as Pac did.

But if Pac wins this fight, I have no problem placing him in the top 15-20 range.

 

Henry Armstr0ng f0ught a Fil0 name B0l0 Garcia it was a draw. It's definitely n0t the first time an Afr0 American elite b0xer squared 0ff in the ring with Fil-B0xer. Sandy Sadler an0ther afr0 American f0ught El0rde, he l0st. Fil-b0xing has a hist0ry n0t just with Mexi-b0xing which Mexi d0minates the P. Islands but als0 with kneegr0s as well.

 

Saddler also beat Elorde twice and Armstrong drew fighting up in weight for the middleweight championship. I must say that Philippines turns out some mighty fine trolls.