Pacquiao's ranking as an ATG if/when he beats Floyd?

Pac was a lineal world champ at flyweight, big difference. Beating Floyd at WW would also have been an equivalent feat to Duran beating Hagler at MW. And I was comparing H2H anyways, its clear Duran is the bigger man for a start, I was comparing resumes and if you sit down without bias on who has a greater resume, its clear Pac does.

 

You are brain dead if you really think that. Watch the Morales trilogy, the fights with Barrera, Ledwaba, Cotto, Hatton, Margarito, Bradley, Clottey, De La Hoya, all of the Marquez fights. He is a living legend, the only 8 weight champion in the history of the sport, the most entertaining fighter of this generation, perhaps any generation. One of the greatest that ever lived. If you rate him 70 then you need to find another sport to watch because this one is completely beyond you.

 

Duran and Pac have about the same body structure, Duran only weighed more as he aged, but in their perspective primes they are very similar. Duran's 5'6-5'7 with a 66" reach and Pac's the same.

How you can equate beating Floyd at WW against a Top 5 ATG middleweight in Hagler is a mystery to me. That's quite the mental gymnastics.

Resume wise, Duran is known as no worse than Top 3 all time at lightweight and most have him at #1, he also beat the 2nd best Welterweight ever. So if you look at their resume's I don't see Duran coming out second best. Hell just look at the number of fights each has had, Duran was 72-1 at one time.

 

Pacman has a great resume with great names like Barrera, Morales, DLH, etc, but Barrera is still his best win, since Barrera was the best featherweight in the world at the time. Everyone knows the rest were fighters not really at their best despite being some of the biggest names in boxing. Can't really compare a prime Norton's trilogy vs a fading, declining Ali when a fading, declining Marquez was the one that seemed to best a prime Pacquiao clearer and clearer each time they fought. Pacquiao could have won belts in 10 divisions all that is secondary. More important is who they faced and at what point in their careers they faced. If Pacman beats Floyd it would come close to Duran beating Leonard, tho Leonard still had a bigger age advantage over Duran. Imagine Pacquiao fighting a prime Mayweather instead of the older version he's going to get. Barkley that shocked Hearns might have ko'd any middleweight that night, either ways, no one gave Roberto a chance in hell, the same way they wouldn't give Manny one if he faced GGG. GGG has potential for greatness, but he hasn't done anything close to what Barkley had achieved, YET.

 

I'd imagine him in the top 20 but it's going to be very difficult to take one out of my list, if memory serves.

His most notable wins would look like:
- Sasakul
- Ledwaba
- Barrera x2
- Morales x2
- Marquez x2
- ODLH (be kind people, we all thought ODLH was gonna murder him)
- Hatton
- Cotto
- Bradley
- Mayweather

Other note-worthy titles:
- Fighter of the decade
- Fighter of the year 3 times
- Fight of the year (with JMM-IV)
- 5 lineal titles, 7 (or 8, if you count the paper title) division world champion in different weight classes
- Win over HoF grandpa Mosley
- Win over Margarito at the highest weight he climbed to
- Longest running member of the Ring Magazine's top 10 P4P fighters, ranked number 1 for a long time
- His record will be 58-5-2, 38 wins by KO

That resume is sick. Especially if you factor in that his first title was at Flyweight.
He took on all styles and all ring craftiness and all age and hunger in his opponents.
The existence of Barrera, Morales and Marquez ALONE in his resume is already unparalleled, IMHO.

 

If Pac beats Mayweather, anyone that doesn't have him in the top 10 greatest ever is either not educated or is a hater. I'd even give him top 5 possibly.

Line anyone's career up next to his, and I doubt many measure up.

Too often, people are reluctant to give up their "hero worship" of ATGreats of the past, and they refuse to believe someone today is actually better than them. Pac and Mayweather both are very high up on the list already :deal

 

If he beats FMJ and then win another unification title at JrWW (like vs Garcia), he should be along the same lines as SRL and Duran, as far as notable wins are concerned.
And I am a huge fan of both SRL and Duran and wildly sentimental over the "golden age of boxing" so that's saying something.

 

BRONZE medalist. :good

 

If he beats Floyd, it will be the 5th weight class he wins a linear title in and he'd have more or less unified WW, when he started at (Flyweight?), at the twilight of his career...against arguably the best fighter of his generation in Mayweather. It would be the single greatest accomplishment in boxing that I can actually think of to be honest with you. I don't see a need to then go beat Garcia.

And I'd argue that he's already surpassed those two guys with notable wins. His six wins over MAB, EM and JMM alone are barely touched.

Let me note, I'm on Team Mayweather for this fight. I think Mayweather will edge him. But I find it hard to deny Pac's greatness....especially if he wins this fight too.

 

Good point.:good

 

I agree. His resume is underrated. That thrashing he gave prime Barrera was incredible. How can anybody look at his resume and not consider him the best fighter since at least Roy Jones, possibly even into the 80s.

 

funny few years back when Pacquiao was still fighting the likes of Barrera, Morales and Marquez, people actually compared those fights with the Fearsome Foursome of Leonard, Duran, Hearns and Hagler fights.

when Pacquiao climb to 135, there were questions if he could carry his speed and power on that weight..

when he fought Oscar, many said it was a circus and that Pacquiao would get destroyed..

when he fought Hatton and Cotto, nobody thought he would demolished both in a shocking fashion..

after those wins people were comparing him with Henry Armstrong and putting him within top 10 ATG!

fast forward today, people easily forgets what they said and thought before! now Pac needs to win against Floyd, Garcia, maybe next he needs to beat Golovkin or the Klithsckos! lolzzzzz

that's the nature of people! just like the rich people, they keeps on raking dollars no matter how rich they are! we are never satisfied!

 

Wow this is spot on ****ysis. Let's just take a look at Manny's resume. It's nothing short of legendary, just absolute pristine.

 

How many people would have the ***** to face Barrera, Marquez and Morales back to back to back and all in their primes? And moving up weight while doing it?

How quickly people forget.......

 

when reminded they suddenly ignored the thread.. bwahahahaha