Pacquiao's "unorthodox" moves

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by mycooloriginals, Sep 21, 2011.


  1. aramini

    aramini Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All right man. Yes, a narcissist. I'm going to keep my own company now :good Good luck with your endeavors.
     
  2. lefty

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    As I said, you like to pass off your uninformed subjective opinion as fact. That can be annoying when it's very simple and you're too stubborn to try and understand.
     
  3. lefty

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    Well you like to post pictures up of yourself all the time and talk about yourself constantly while believing whatever you say has to be true so please forgive me for using the word 'narcissist'.
     
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    Has righty read Brian Gold’s book?
     
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    Has righty read Brian Gold’s book?
     
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  9. lefty

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    Why don't you make a point or **** off... nobody respects you enough to try and decipher what you're trying to imply. You're wasting your time here chump.
     
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  11. Windigo

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    The calves can produce more force than any other muscle group in the body.
     
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  13. wayneflint

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    Id have to say despite the interesting post on the capability of the calf muscles vs hamstrings for jumping movements by windigo, i still believe the hamstrings to be the more important muscle for drive in terms of boxing type movements/manouvers, much more controlled than bouncing into the shots/movements, however the calf's are important too and not as risky when used in other movements like uppercuts, etc, great power can then be gained by the calfes with not quite as much cost as when used in other shots such as hooks.
    Either way i feel the hamstrings are much more ideal than calfs to drive with for truely controlled explosive movements, this is key, not bouncing into movements. the adaptions in the way of our stances should cater for times when the hamstrings may not be used to drive in the given directions desired, power of a shot can be including the calf's when desired but they arent the sole of everything and it comes at a price, they wouldnt be the only muscles you would use would they? you would try and use them all together in harmony with the bone structure for good economy of movement.

    To sum up if your using your calves to get 100% power into your shots from what ive noticed there seems to be a big trade off, you sacrifice a lot of control in terms of returning the shots and mobility afterwards for very little power to be gained on these shots and timing and range has to be very precise upon impact to achieve this slight build of momentum, if you miss them your going to be a lot more exposed for shots what have a very high % rate of being a fly swatter of a shot, if you cant get the timing down on your opponent then you expose yourself with these shots that will bounce off your opponent doing little to nothing in terms of damage, the shot has to be worth the risk,

    We see this when armani or whatever is name was tries to flurry like pac does in the sparring video he posted, he cant pull it off like pac because his timing and range awareness and overall boxing skill and experience are nowhere near on a parr with pac's abilitys, the results for his attempt are weak shots that do nothing really but square him up and leave him unable to control distance, angles or range very well so he ended up smothering himself a lot, moving like pac is easy but pulling off his style on an opponent takes world class skills, thats just my opinion.

    Maybe a more direct and realistic set of questions to ask could be which shot would be best in terms of movement? then in terms of power, a left hook minus calf's or a left hook minus hamstrings? i know where my money is.. lol
     
  14. lefty

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    No they can WITHSTAND more force than any other muscle group in the body, there's a massive difference.
     
  15. lefty

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    Yes, as I've been saying it's the recoil of tendons that propel you. It's the large muscles that produce the force that is imparted onto the tendons that allows you to jump, the calf is just there for the ride.
    You're usually right on the money but not this time mate