Pac's 30 day cut-off was reasonable ( proof inside)

.... though not directed at me, here's an answer.

Anything more from what Pac offered in unnescessary.

1.The 3 blood test and urine test at anytime removes synthetic EPO, anabolic steroid as option for Pac to cheat as they are detectable in urine. Again, EPO and anabolic steroids are out as options.

2. USADA has never caught anybody on HGH, Conte doesn't think much of HGH and Pac only has 21 days to use a drug that is best suited for healing an injury.

3. Blood transfusion (old style blood doping) effect would also be seen by the discrepency level of hematocrit and hemoglobin level by comparing his last 2 CBC test. That's also out.

What Pac offered should have allayed any fear by Floyd..... but then it was never about these PED's. It was about the A-side meff or he really did not want this fight all along. :yep

 

*yawn*

You have nothing behind your laugh... but, **** you anyway.:good

 

Wrong, training at high altitude does many things one of them is that it increases the body's lactic acid threshold this is where the anaerobic benefit from altitude training comes from. EPO doesn't mimic this effect. EPO mimics other effects of altitude training but not that one. For an endurance athlete EPO is taken in part to keep the athlete out of anaerobic metabolism where lactic acid will start form. For the anaerobic athlete there is no connection between altitude training and EPO. That connection only exists for the endurance athlete. The anaerobic athlete trains at high altitude for another metabolic effect.

And correct me if I'm wrong but don't the rules stipulate that a fighter is allowed to drink only water during the fight? What ever amount of glucose you have when you go in is all your body will have to work with. When it runs out you're done. The deep rapid breathing that we all know so well isn't aerobic fatigue its anaerobic fatigue.

 

Thanks for the link. I will look that claim up. I thought I knew the tests well enough but I should perhaps update myself.

 

Turns out CERA under some conditions (e.g. strenous exercise) does get extreted into urine, a few of the tour de france positives were actually seen in urine and confirmed with blood tests. How long it stays in blood varies from person to person and with the way it is administered, intravenous injection giving the least lasting traces (1-4 weeks). I think it is safe to assume that exercise will shorten the time it stays detectable in blood as well.
CERA use seems very risky with WADA testing.

 

Based on what you posted CERA may last 1-4 weeks, shorter with the help of exercise. But if you do exercise to rid your blood of it it will will show up in urine. Conversely if you don't want it to show in your urine you shouldn't strain yourself much. However that defeats the purpose of taking the drug you won't get the benefit that way. Additionally it will stay in your blood long enough to get detected.

I guess that settles it. Anybody else have other inputs in this?

 

...here's an excerpt from an article.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,566702,00.html

A urine sample of Ricco taken after the fourth stage, however, tested positive for synthetic EPO and the substance known generically as CERA (continuous erythropoiesis receptor activator), a new third-generation synthetic EPO agent marketed in Europe by Roche under the brand name Micera. Ricco might have been caught by laboratory tests using a new, undisclosed technique for detecting the substance, Germany'sSüddeutsche Zeitung newspaper reported.

 

good discussion I hope it continues. is it fair to say that no scenario has been laid out where Pac could have effectively cheated under the testing he agreed to?

 

looks like Ariza's special blend must contain something unique :yep