Pac's attributes

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  1. tinman

    tinman Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pac in his prime had elite power, speed, stamina/workrate and chin. He wasn't GOAT level at any of them, but came pretty damn close in workrate. It's rare for any fighter to be elite in just one of those categories. To be elite in all 4 is basically impossible and unheard of.
     
  2. Bofo24

    Bofo24 New Member Full Member

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    Yeah, even in his early, younger days, even during his Blow by Blow days. Though his physical strength is not on par with those attributes.
     
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  3. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    Head size is not one of them. Maybe that's why he got clipped by JMM.
     
  4. tinman

    tinman Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Probably not quite on par, but at Welterweight he would often get bullied or thrown around the ring a little bit. But that's to be expected when you give up that much natural size.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Bit of a Gobshite Full Member

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    Not really. These all had them:

    Leonard
    Duran
    Spinks
    Charles
    Moore
    Harada
    Robinson
    Walker
    Steele
    Ike Williams
    Canzoneri
    Arguello
    Napoles
    Toney
    Cervantes
    Ceferino Garcia
    Chocolatito

    And to prove its not just ATGs, guys like
    El Finito, Inoue, Lopez and Mosley have these too. It's hardly 'unheard of' to be elite in all four catagories.
     
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  6. Guerra

    Guerra New Member Full Member

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    Marvin Hagler,
     
  7. tinman

    tinman Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Leonard didn't have elite power. Good power, but not elite. Arguello was slow. Chocolatito not that fast for a flyweight. Mosley couldn't even dent DLH. Toney never had elite stamina or speed.
     
  8. tinman

    tinman Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Never had that level of speed and wasn't among the hardest punchers at 160. Pac had 3 ATG's in his weight class and had more power, speed and stamina than any of them in any category.
     
  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Bit of a Gobshite Full Member

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    Leonard KOed two ATGs, has a higher KO percentage than Pacquiao and has multiple brutal KOs. He definitely had elite power.

    Arguello was slow? Maybe compared to Whitaker or Taylor, but he was definitely not slow.

    Chocolatito's hands were very fast at 108. His combinations were like liquid.

    Aside from B-Hop, who was almost a LHW in the ring, who ever dented De La Hoya?

    Toney definitely had both of those. If anything, you want to say he had didn't have elite power. Toney's hand speed was excellent. Watch his fights with Barkley, Williams, McCallum, Jirov ect; when he was in shape, he had bags of stamina.
     
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  10. tinman

    tinman Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If he had elite power he would have gotten chinny Hearns out earlier and his punches would have had more effect on a smaller man in Duran. Arguello had lead feet.

    If you have elite power you hurt guys with elite chins. See Pac doubling over Morales multiple times even in the 1st fight when he wasn't drained yet.
     
  11. kirk

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    Mosley not hurting a bigger guy, who was in his prime, who arguably has a modern day ATG level chin, and who nobody else was able to dent, means... his power isn't elite?

    Pretty bad reasoning there, imo.
     
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  12. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    But the point is understood. Pac is elite in multiple dimensions, more dimensions than the vast majority of fighters. Agreed.
     
  13. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears Ducking Regional Manager Full Member

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    Kirk, I believe you are trying to add gravitas to your opinion by changing the colour of your text. I have tried this method before and virtually no one took me seriously. Pacquiao has no jab, no right hand, no lateral movement, and almost no singing talent. He's an incredible actor though; let's leave it at that.
     
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  14. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    While youre correct about Pacs worth as an actor, I will have you know that last week a fellow member of this esteemed online forum inquired if I was Jesus, so the colors must be doing something. And, if they dont, and nobody takes me seriously after this... then, well... nothing really changes from before the switch.
     
  15. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears Ducking Regional Manager Full Member

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    Fairest dinkum I've ever seen out of a moderator here, man. Do we still have the deal emoticon? :deal
     
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