Pacs punching power is a myth

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IVLG, Nov 28, 2009.


  1. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And Cotto couldn't stick to his game plan b/c it wasn't working!:lol: Cotto isnt' the one who adapts to fighter as effectively as Floyd does and when he tried to adapt with PAC....PAC was able to shut him down...>Take the jab for instance....early success for Cotto....became non existant as PAC began to counter the jab with the Right hook over top.

    Cotto was always going to use his short compact punches to try and blast Manny out of there. And why wouldn't he? He's the bigger and stronger guy....so he thought. PAC isn't a great boxer but he's DMAN GOOD and a GREAT Fighter. That makes up for his lack of boxing fundementals....or at least he "classic boxer style" that he doesn't have.

    PAC most certainly did fight in a way with Cotto to not only test but to SHOW Roach and the boxing world that he can hang in there with a true WW....Not only a true WW but one of the best...IF NOT the best WW. PAC does want to bring the fans excitment in the ring which is probably why he did leave his body open for Cotto to bang away and when he went to the ropes and allowed Cotto to open up on him....but you are kidding yourself if you think that was part of the game plan homie. PAC was testing himself and looking to prove himself all at the same time and he did so.

    For you to say that PAC did those things b/c that would give him the best chances at winning you have got to be smoking some good ****!:smoke The smaller man don't go toe to toe and lay up on the ropes when you have the speed and athletic abiltiy advantages. PAC could have easily utilized his speed, reflexes, footwork and athletic ability to stay on the outside...dart in to score some point and get the **** out of dodge when Cotto looked to mount his offense. PAC could have easily won a UD and took little to no damage in the process. He chose to FIGHT...and that is what makes PAC exciting.

    What made Gatti exciting was his style and his heart, but he didn't have any of those attributes and natrual abilities that Floyd and PAC enjoy.. Gatti had no other choice but to fight like a warrior b/c that was his only chance at winning.....Floyd and PAC have options. They both choose to use their gifts in opposite ways which is why one is more exciting than the other.
     
  2. BOXING/MMAFAN

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    i dnt think he has a much pure power n brute strength as it is the combination of his speed and the angels he throws from which usually catches his opponents by surprise
     
  3. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree......but I do feel the punching power is there. He just never SITS DOWN ON HIS SHOTS! When he does you see what happens.....Ricky got slept...and that is one of the only times I've seen PAC REALLY sit down on his shots.

    Usually we see PAC on his toes....bouncing in and out, side to side and never really have his feet planted to generate the kind of power we saw when he put Ricky out.
     
  4. BOXING/MMAFAN

    BOXING/MMAFAN The Fan Full Member

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    ya thats true the hit on the hitman was fkn nasty but i dunno... hatton just diddnt see that thing coming
     
  5. cloud_cyc

    cloud_cyc p4p demon Full Member

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    speed of the punch is related to the power right? you can't throw a slow ass punch and expect it to deal serious damage.. so whats the point? btw, pac's punching power at the top-level is when he was at 126-130lbs IMO. you cant gauge the power as powerful or not at WW because it's not his natural weight division.
     
  6. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "heavy handed" fighters are not always fast. Foreman for instance. You can be slow and have massive KO power. But in the lower weights its almost non exsistant b/c alot of heavy handed fighters have more weight behind their punches. Lighter fighters not so mcuh.
     
  7. SweetPeaAli

    SweetPeaAli New Member Full Member

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    Speed is power in pacman's case.
     
  8. kirk

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    actually, it was working.... when cotto WAS sticking to boxing, his skills, and staying disciplined, i dont see how someone can say it wasnt working. Cotto would have bigtime success..... and thats when he would lose his discipline and start trying to get greedy and being the 'bigger guy', exactly like i was hoping he wouldnt do.

    Cotto didnt stick to his gameplan because of pride and greed at first (and an uncharicteristic lack of discipline within the ring) and then he got desperete when pac started having his success..... and then not to be disrespectful to Cotto as hes obviously one of my favs but Pac kinda broke him a bit and thats when cotto started to go into survival mode a bit more.

    But to say he didnt stick to the gameplan cuz it wasnt working? completely false imo.... when he was staying disciplined and taking what pac was giving, he was doing awsome.... its when he started getting greedy in there is when pac found his openings and making him pay, and the rest is history.

    On an unrelated side note..... i have since watched the fight about 4 times (never past the 6th round except on fight night) and every time i watch it im more impressed with Pac. Although i was very picky on the night of the fight saying 'Cottos not doing this, cottos not doing that, hes not throwing his punches the way he should be, ect, ect', the more i actually see the fight for what it is and not what i feel it should have been, and cotto looked damn good, i think that cotto would have beaten a lot of other fighters that night.... Pac once again shows he is nearing the level of a titan almost. I am glad ive been around to see him glow....
     
  9. stiga

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    yes i watched 2 pacman fights with jmm many times it is simply outrageous to say jmm wins all the rounds after getting knock down...are you blind? pac-may fight will be not easy for both fighters....
     
  10. charlievint

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    It did work for a short period of time. PAC adjusted and took the boxing Cotto tried to apply and used his superior speed to negate Miguels Boxing! Not to mention PAC allowed for Cotto to have those "Boxing" opportunities....laying on the ropes.....holding the high guard, baiting Ctto to unlaod. Only to be countered and gave Cotto second thoughts.

    Mentally I feel Cotto did try to fight BIG when his boxing wasn't doing what he thought it would and he he got frustrated when over powering PAC wasn't working either. At some point his Pride left and survival mode kicked in. Now Cotto faught with heart and valor but he was out matched in this one. Love cotto but he didnt' have the tools nor the game plan to beat PAC.....and PAC gave him plenty of opportunites to capitalize on.