Padded Record List

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  1. Kegsy

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    My much awaited padded record list has arrived.:lol:

    Some criteria i considered when i put this list together included the following:
    The boxer must have competed in at least 8 pro fights to be considered, when by then they should have at least stepped it up a little.

    Their opposition, fighting regularly undersize padded up record imports will do you little favours.

    I compiled some good statistics more as a guideline so my fellow posters could see trends/common opponents & use it as a bit of a guide.
    I state the boxers 3 best wins in my opinion, which by the way may be opponents with not the best records, but these are the boxers which give the best tests since they are durable & not some dodgy import with an extremely (probably fake in Thai cases) padded record, as many will know.

    I have tried to put some other interesting information regarding who they are fighting next if its widely known.

    By the way i orginally had a top 15, which is now 15 & with an honerable mention at 16, since i had a late inclusion into my top 10.

    The reason i had a late inclusion is due to my reasoning of not including a boxer who is inactive for more than a year or a boxer who has since announced his retirement. (In this case the boxer was inactive since 2010, but now has a fight scheduled & had to be mentioned.)

    Hope you all enjoy the list as its purely a neutral opinion & having watched many fights involving every single 1 of these boxers over the recent months/years.
    I expect critism from some corners of the boxing world, but i have not personally attacked anyone in my comments as this is purely based on the level of opposition these boxers are fighting & some stats to back it up.

    Hopefully as a result naming some of these boxers may lead to them stepping it up a bit & challenge other fellow Australian/regional contenders on a regular basis to improve the overall product.
     
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  2. Kegsy

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    I will put up numbers 15-11 along with my honerable mention at 16 to start it all off.

    The rest of the list will come up on Friday Night & over the wkend.
     
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  3. Kegsy

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    Honerable Mention
    16. Andrew Green
    Won 8 (KO 5) Lost 0 (KO 0)
    Opponents Records: 27-75-3 - 105
    Opponents Winning %: 25.71%
    Best Wins: Kashif Mumtaz (8-27-1), Moses Ioelu (3-14) & Jeff Stutt (4-6)
    Unrated In Australian (ANBF) Light Heavyweight Division.


    Green has won all his 8 fights against woeful opposition, & is a perfect example of record padding in a weak WA commission. Only 1 of his 8 opponents as a pro was coming off a win when they fought Green!!! He isnt even rated in the top 15 at Light Heavyweight in the country, so any of those names you would hope must be arranged next by his West Aussie promoter CDL Boxing Promotions, otherwise he will be well inside the top 10 of this protected list by 2013.

    NEXT: TBA
     
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  4. Kegsy

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    15. Paul Fleming
    Won 13 (KO 10) Lost 0 (KO 0)
    Opponents Records: 124-122-21 - 267
    Opponents Winning %: 46.44%
    Best Wins: Mick Shaw (27-11-3), Michael Correa (2-1-2) & Flash Villacura (23-21-2)
    Number 1 Ranked Contender In Australian (ANBF) Super Featherweight Division.


    Highly touted amateur & Top Rank promoted Paul Fleming has been brought along a little too slowly in my opinion by his management Cameron Duncan & Mike Altamura. Fleming still only 23, can definitely go places in the coming years, but its time to at least fight for the Australian Title & some regional gold, if not better opposition in general.Arguably Fleming's best win to date is vs tough Aussie journeyman Mick Shaw in late 2010. Hopefully Fleming progresses more this year than he did in a rather stagnant 2011, with the highlight being an off-tv appearance on Top Rank's Rios vs Antillon card in California.

    NEXT: TBA
     
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    14. Jarrod Fletcher
    Won 10 (KO 7) Lost 0 (KO 0)
    Opponents Records: 68-111-12 - 191
    Opponents Winning %: 35.60%
    Best Wins: william Hadlow (7-24-5), Arnel Tinampay (17-12-1) & Kashif Mumtaz (7-21-1)
    Number 1 Ranked Contender In Australian (ANBF) Middleweight Division.


    Fletcher is another highly regarded amateur who has been brought along a little too slowly up until this point. Especially when you consider Fletcher is 28 years of age, his best wins are against the tough, but very limited boxers in Hadlow & Mumtaz. Great to hear that Fletcher is finally raising the bar & fighting his 1st major test of his professional career vs Australian Middleweight Champion Johannes Mwetupunga on TV.

    NEXT: vs Johannes Mwetupunga (11-2) on 24th February in Melbourne - Televised On FOX Sports.
     
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    13. Zac Awad
    Won 17 (KO 6) Lost 1 (KO 0) Drawn 1
    Opponents Records: 152-149-22 - 323
    Opponents Winning %: 47.06%
    Best Wins: Junior Talipeau (17-1-1), Tim Kanofski (10-2) & Daniel Pawsey (9-3)
    Loss: Jeremy Allan (5-6-1)
    Draw: Shane McConville (2-0-3)
    Number 4 Ranked Contender In Australian (ANBF) Super Middleweight Division.


    Awad has 1 of the more interesting records on this list. In Awad's 1st 12 bouts as a pro most of his opponents were undersize imports, coming up in weight & his record appeared as 1 of the most padded in the country. His loss to tough, but very limited West Aussie journeyman Jeremy Allan suggested he may have already run his race in the Australian boxing scene. However Awad caused a huge upset in 2011 winning his 1st fight of any real significance, a close controversial split decision vs Junior Talipeau. He returns in 2012 against another tough Aussie journeyman in Les Piper. Hopefully after Piper he steps it up again.

    NEXT: vs Les Piper (13-9-3) on 24th February in Sydney - Untelevised.
     
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    12. Kerry Foley
    Won 14 (KO 12) + Lost 1 (KO 0) + Drawn 1
    Opponents Records: 83-91-11 - 185
    Opponents Winning %: 44.86%
    Best Wins: Adam wilcox (4-15-1), James Chan (5-6-1) & Joel Casey (2-0)
    Loss: Terrance Smith (5-10-2)
    Draw: Robert Berridge (10-0)
    Number 8 Ranked Contender In Australian (ANBF) Cruiserweight Division.


    Foley started out his career fairly tough against 1 of his hardest tests in Aussie Joel Casey. Foley's opponents sadly have gotten worse after his 1st 5 bouts, with Foley failing pretty much every time he has stepped up since early on. A loss on the road in the US to journeyman Terrance Smith really showed just how soft the opposition Foley was facing at home. In recent times Foley received a gift draw in most experts opinions against undefeated New Zealander Robert Berridge.

    NEXT: TBA
     
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    11. Daniel Baff
    Won 12 (KO 10) + Lost 2 (KO 2) + Drawn 1
    Opponents Records: 84-113-22 - 219
    Opponents Winning %: 38.36%
    Best wins: Kashif Mumtaz (6-19-1) Shannon Miller (24-44-8) Oscar Siale (1-0)
    Losses: James Chan (1-0) ****** Fuiava (11-0)
    Draw: Kane McKay (7-2-1)
    Number 6 Ranked Contender In Australian (ANBF) Light Heavyweight Division.


    Another Australian boxer who has padded his record against undersize imports is Daniel Baff. An early televised KO loss to rugged Aussie journeyman James Chan sent Baff back to the drawing board padding his record for 2 years against some of the worst undersize winless opposition possible. When Baff did step it up again on a televised card he got a heavily disputed draw against the tough but limited Kane McKay. Last year Baff headed overseas to New Zealand & got KO'd against undefeated Samoan W arren Fuiava as seen in the picture above.

    NEXT: TBA
     
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  9. Kegsy

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    This should keep everyone debating until the next few come out....
     
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  10. whopperdong

    whopperdong "sorry dan, im the man" Full Member

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    Who iS James chan?
     
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  11. ozziebattler

    ozziebattler Shadow Boxer Full Member

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    Totally agree with paul flemming....Outstanding amateur and he continuely gets fed horrible and at time very out of fighting shape opponents to look very slick against.
     
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  12. Hmmm

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    one might say facts and figures dont lie...
     
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  13. TCboxa

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    With Paul Flemming, one must be fair and note that Mike and Dunkin were not working with him whilst he was padding his record here in AUS. Billy Hussein was.
     
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  14. perfect jet

    perfect jet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You sure?? Altamura has had him from the start as far as i know. What do you mean whilst he was here in australia?....every fight has been in oz bar one. Billy trains him, not his manager.
     
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  15. atigerofold

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    Kegsy, some good analysis you have done.....but, it worries me a bit what you are presenting; your use of part of the figures is not the whole story....the statistics you provide, provides a bit of bias to your padded records list - these fighters you provide, and their matchings with these mostly "red squarerers" from the boxrec files......they do have other associated risks (when contemplating a match)......red squarers do not always measure up to being a total lack of danger, particularly if you are trying to match up your developing, younger fighter; selection of these redsquare fighters, is not always a "soft" step up the the developmental ladder....

    As an ex fight trainer and boxer, I can say that there are more types of information other than win/loss factors in the risk management basket to also ponder about, before deciding who to put your boy in with.....

    As a quick example, your statistics of Andrew Green, and his eight wins....on the face of your presented statistical analysis, we get the feeling he is being craddled in his development by his trainer/promotor; but when I put myself in his trainers shoes for a second, and looked at the last bloke he fought - Mumtaz, I see Mumtaz ko'd Sherrington, and also see that Mumtaz had fought a number of eight rounders...yes, I see Mumtaz had won only 8 out of 37, but had knocked out 6 of those eight.... If I was training Andrew Green, and he was fighting just his second six rounder, I would have picked Mumtaz, as a small step, but still would have worried about Mumtaz being a danger for my protege Andrew Green.....there is more too the story than 8 wins from 37 fights, is what I am trying to say...

    Your analysis will/might motivate officials to do further investigation into the fighters they tick off as being up to it; we might see a shift towards license suspension or scratching these continual losers off future boxing cards.....this is as very difficult thing to gauge though....looking at some of the losers lists who your "Padded Record" brigade have fought, I see quite a few fighters who have comebacks.....who had fought eight / ten rounders two years ago, then had a two - year retirement, then had the typical comeback, where they had two to four losing fights, before they get a win, (but who rarely ascend the ladder).


    I know you are trying to assist boxing by your analysis; ethics, health and safety need to jump into the match making mix, with fairness, and the reality of challenge, also.

    Do we provide a statistical formula to persuade or demand matchmakers to not select "redsquare"(boxrec) fighters? (Predicting that the answer will be a big No )
    Look at a "bigtime,redsquarers" like Kane Buckley, with his record of 1 win out of 21 fights, his record makes me believe he should have been retired prior to 2010( and that he must have cheated in that one win...hahaha); what if he tries to make a comeback? who will make the decision to rob him of a chance to make a comeback? If you had a kid having his third, fourth or fifth fight (with consecutive wins), Kane returning with a comeback and having fought 21 times before, would still be a risk.

    Should we turn the heat up on some fighters to take a bigger chance ? (Answer : YES) ...... Purely by the statistics you provide? ( No....)

    Another bigger question could be, How bigger a chance do you suggest that these fighters should take?
     
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