Palhares gets 90 day suspension

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by LB3000, Mar 30, 2010.


  1. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I can't rule out all malicious intent, but it wasn't all that long. One reason that heel hooks are dangerous, other than the damage that can result to the knee, is because you have to commit in order for them to work. If you've ever grappled and went for a heel hook at half speed, your opponent can quickly remove his foot from immediate jeopardy.

    I realize that this is sport, but let's also remember it is The Ultimate FIGHTING Championship. Why aren't the same people yelling about this, yelling about the blows Carwin dealt to a limp Mir?
     
  2. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. Referee did not step in.
    2. What Carwin did was VERY unlikely to end Mir's career.

    Yes, heel hooks need to be cranked for the opponent to tap. But once that happen I don't see a point for him to keep cranking it. He's done it before. He's a jackass.
     
  3. Wilhelm

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    Good post. People did complain about Penn's bull**** move as well as Sobral's, but as others have said, this is worse. Blood chokes are only really harmful after about 15-30 seconds but heal hooks and kneebars and ankle locks can really mess an athlete up for a long, long time. Pahlhares deserves what he's getting if not more.
     
  4. rekcutnevets

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  5. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The biggest problem with heel hooks, and why they're so dangerous, and even banned in many MMA organizations (all lower tier organizations, of course) is that with a heel hook, the moment (assuming it's applied to you) you feel it, it's already too late. Damage is already being done.

    Reason why, I'd assume, it's not banned in the UFC is because they're top tier professionals, who would recognize that they're in a horrible position and surrender before any significant damage is done.

    Guys in lower tier organizations and maybe not so experienced and technically proficient, may apply a hold and really crank it and the guy it's being applied to will not recognize the danger he is in and continue to resist when someone who is more experienced will know immediately he's done and tap.
     
  6. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
     
  7. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That is a bit harsh, he let go when the ref stopped the fight, which is when the fight ends.

    He could have let go sooner, but he have seen situations where somebody fake taps or sort of taps but the fight doesn't get stopped.
     
  8. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Heel hooks aren't banned in many MMA organizations at all. Almost all orgs follow the unified rules, which don't mention heel hooks. I believe some amateur rules ban them.

    They are banned in a lot of grappling competitions, almost all of them in the levels below advanced.
     
  9. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He has hurt people before, but in both cases I can think of he let go as soon as the ref stepped in. The guy is immensely strong and constantly goes for leg locks, specifically heel hooks; injuries are going to happen.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDLHwIePi7w[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlFuxQO4S6Q[/ame]

    In the large scheme of things, a knockout artist has much more possibility of seriously injuring people.

    As boxing and MMA fans we just sort of take knockouts for granted, without realizing exactly what happens medically. It is at best going to be a moderate concussion, and there is a risk of serious brain injury.