Panama Al Brown vs. Ruben Olivares

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  1. Manassa

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    Let's have it then, who wins?
     
  2. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Brown takes a UD over 15. In 167 fights contested until he was 40 years old, nobody was able to stop Panama Al. Ruben would have to outscore him to win. As great as Olivares was at his best, I believe this is too much to ask of him.
     
  3. Manassa

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    I'm glad you brought up Brown's durability. Now we all know he didn't face a puncher like Olivares, but in a twenty year career he never slipped up once. Quite remarkable for someone with a seemingly fragile build. You'd normally expect the beanpole in a fight to be living on the edge, avoiding the big punch as with Hearns-Walker or Foster-Langford. Brown could probably afford to take a few.
     
  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I have a feeling that despite these two are both big punchers this is going to be quite a tactical boxing match.

    Olivares is going to know he can't wade in as Brown will punish him with those hard uppercuts he delighted in, and Brown knows he can't take his usual show-boating tactics with Olivares who was fast and hit hard.

    I see Olivares trying to set traps early but with Brown using his superior reach and overall speed to keep ahead. Olivares will then try to get inside behind the jab and bang the body and has some sucess with that but he will be getting countered by Brown, but Brown will be taking some hellacious body shots IMO.

    I reckon Brown could probably hold on for the decision but the body work, purely due to his frame, might knock him out.
     
  5. Russell

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    I'd favor Brown. An ATG chin and world class power.

    Olivares seemed to struggle in fights that went into the later rounds, being decked in several of them.

    Stopped on a cut in 14 against Castillo.

    Decked in the 6th against Castillo in their final match. Knocked down in the 2nd against him the first time around.

    He had to get off the mat to take a SD against Art Hafey as well. :think
     
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Although when Olivares was on fire, he was on fire.

    I think he was very inconsistent at times but when he was faced with his biggest challenges he tended to perform to th best of hsi ability particulary early in his career with his destructions of Rose, Rudkin and Pimental. But at featherweight he was very patchy but still turned in superb performances vs Chacon twice and ,although losing, Arguello also.
     
  7. Russell

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    I agree.

    I forget what trainer it was, but he said Olivares was maybe the most impressive fighter he ever saw him person when he was "on".
     
  8. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Yep.

    And that 'on' Olivares combined technical skills, a solid boxing mind, savage intensity and a monster punch. Definitly a packaged to be reckoned with.
     
  9. JohnThomas1

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    I really don't see Brown as a big puncher at all, but i agree he could well win the decision. Great durability.
     
  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I dont think hes a big puncher in terms of his actual punching power. But his speed, accuracy and ability to bring opponents onto his punches, make him a very sharp and damaging puncher IMO.
     
  11. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If your talking about Olivares-Brown you've got to be talking aboiut Olivares at his peak at bantam and I for one can't back anyone against him. Just watched Zamora-Zarate again and I can't help but think that prime Olivares would of put even Zarate away in that type of fight.
     
  12. Manassa

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    Brown was a cutting, damaging puncher. Like Greg says, not so much from strength but through leverage and accuracy. It wouldn't surprise me if he frequently shook Olivares, but that works both ways, for as durable as Brown was, he'd be up against a titanic hitter.

    I'd go for Brown based on styles and methods. He had Ali footwork forty years before we knew what it was, and the shortness of punching like Robbinson and Louis. But for his skill, Brown also jumped in with recklessness, often, for short periods, throwing tactics out of the window and swinging away, and that might work in his favour. Olivares may lose the fight based on not knowing what's coming next and struggling to find the range.
     
  13. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Although saying that Brown trading could be a good thing for Olivares who is used to a showdown whereas Brown, from what I have seen, is much more comfortable in a more cerebral kind of fight. And Brown would lose some sting in his shots when he takes the offence IMO, he seems to me as a back foot puncher.
     
  14. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At his peak and throughout his career for that matter Olivares was a master of range who could box when he had to. Look at the Arguello fight up at feather when past his best.
     
  15. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He could hit:

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