Paret vs Griffith III

Sums it up pretty well. At the end of the day it's a sport and everyone wants to go home to there family. To say its JUST the refs job doesn't sit well with me. It's no different when some of these idiotic MMA fighters continue to beat an unconscious foe on the ground befor the ref can literally dive between them in some cases. Just crazy for me to see that.

 

Griffith did nothing wrong.
Every good fighter is told to keep punching when they have an opponent hurt.

 

Ali backed off in several "overmatched fights"....and even Foreman yelled at Frazier's corner: "What do you want me to do...kill him?".

 

Even Frazier who fought with a grin had to tell Joe Louis twice I believe to stop the Quarry fight. Holmes did it numerous times.

 

What don't you agree with though?

If you're trying to win a fight by punching someone to gain a decision or to KO them... in what way are you not trying to hurt them? For God's sake you're trying to KO them. We all know being punched doesn't feel good and hurts, so if you punch somebody, those facts don't just go away. As I said, I'm not convinced he shouldn't have stopped, I'm simply saying.. it's a bit clouded when you're in there to hurt someone by punching them anyways.

 

Do you think being jabbed in the face feels good or hurts? Even if it's a little, it hurts. As I said, you're in there throwing punches to KO someone or stop them... Surely you don't think you throw punches like that and think it doesn't hurt who you're hitting. We all know what being hit feels like right? It hurts.

 

I didn't say that was the only goal. I referenced landing punches to win a decision or KOing your foe. In either case you're punching someone with the intention of hurting them enough to get a TKO, a KO or a decision win. You don't throw body punches to help their indigestion. You throw them to hurt and weaken your foe for the latter rounds. I know it doesn't sound good, but the simple fact remains, when you box, you're trying to hurt your foe. Doesn't mean permanently, and you wish that, but we all know what punches do... they hurt who they are hitting. It's that simple.

See above... the quote I made was:

If you're trying to win a fight by punching someone to gain a decision or to KO them

 

The Griffith-Paret fight was different than the HW fights mentioned though. It was at a much faster pace. Griffith threw those 25 or so unanswered punches in a shockingly short amount of time.

 

Rt. I remember seeing that fight.

"He left Quarry helpless. After opening the cut over Quarry’s left eye, Frazier motioned to Louis to stop the fight, but the referee let the boxers continue for another 30 seconds before calling a halt. "Joe (Louis) should have stopped it sooner; if not Joe, then the people in Jerry's corner," said Frazier. "I could see how badly he was cut." "

Joe Frazier vs. Jerry Quarry (2nd meeting)

1974-06-17 : Joe Frazier 212 lbs beat Jerry Quarry 197½ lbs by TKO at 1:37 in round 5 of 10

• Location: Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA
• Referee: Joe Louis
• Judge: Artie Aidala
• Judge: Jack Gordon

• Onsite Poster
• Photo 2, Photo 3, Photo 4, Photo 5, Photo 6
• See Also: Joe Frazier vs. Jerry Quarry (1st meeting)

Note

• Frazier earned $400,000 and Quarry $225,000.
• A crowd of 14,611 produced a gate of $517,006.
• Frazier was ahead on all three official scorecards at the time of the stoppage. Referee Joe Louis and Judge Jack Gordon had the fight scored 4-0, and Judge Artie Aidala had it 3-0-1.
• The Associated Press reported:

Frazier clearly won the first two rounds despite being hit by a hard--but accidental--low blow with 30 seconds to go in the opening round. Frazier grimaced in pain and walked to a corner, but Quarry quickly apologized and Louis motioned for the bout to continue. The first really decisive punches of the fight came about 2½ minutes into the third round, when Frazier connected with a right to the body and followed with a left hook to the head that turned Quarry sideways. Frazier pounded away in the fourth, flooring Quarry with a mighty left hook to the stomach at the closing bell. Quarry took a count of five before rising. The fifth round was all Frazier. He left Quarry helpless. After opening the cut over Quarry’s left eye, Frazier motioned to Louis to stop the fight, but the referee let the boxers continue for another 30 seconds before calling a halt. "Joe (Louis) should have stopped it sooner; if not Joe, then the people in Jerry's corner," said Frazier. "I could see how badly he was cut." Louis defended his actions: "The cut wasn’t as big as Joe thought it was. In another half-minute it was bigger, and that’s why I stopped it."
Articles

• "Frazier stops Quarry in 5th" Associated Press, June 18, 1975
• "Hard Sell For Some Hard Knocks" by Mark Kram, Sports Illustrated, July 1, 1974