Parker vs. Zhang rumoured to feature Joshua/Ngannou Undercard.

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  1. NullaLexInk

    NullaLexInk Sometimes a fella's just gotta be movin' on Full Member

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    Not in this instance, no. I think Zhang is potentially the more winnable fight due to his tendency to gas late in the fight and Parker having a good chin, but these are both risky fights, so calling it a "duck" isn't quite right in my opinion. Now if Parker were to fight someone well below his level who presented no reward after being called out, yeah, I'd agree that's a duck. I don't think Parker wins either personally, but the Zhang fight potentially provides a slightly more winnable fight for a similar reward, if not a better one with the potential for automatic elevation. Considering the risk from both fights, I really think the potential reward played a bigger part in the decision than anything else.

    Does make me feel kinda bad for Hrgovic either way though. But on the plus side he's in line for a fight for the IBF title regardless, so at the very least he'll get his shot eventually. Too bad Tony Yoka's career has taken such a nosedive, I'd love for that fight to be revisited so Hrgovic could cream him :lol:
     
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  2. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I wouldn't call that a duck, he was offered the fight in early 2022 after Luis Ortiz said he was out due to injury. But Parker too said he was injured as he had a elbow problem he sustained in the first Chisora fight, which was mentioned several months before the Hrgovic fight was offered. He also has a history of elbow problems having had surgery on both elbows twice, once before Joshua and again before fighting Fa.

    Which is why he only fought once in 2022, being out for the first 9 months of the year which considering he fought 3 times in 2021 and 4 times in 2023, only fighting once that year suggests the injury was genuine.

    https://www.skysports.com/boxing/ne...k-for-andy-ruiz-jr-rematch-says-david-higgins

    https://www.skysports.com/boxing/ne...k-chisoras-hopes-of-receiving-a-swift-rematch
     
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  3. BlackDog

    BlackDog Active Member Full Member

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    I remeber his team saying that money was joke in that fight. That was excuse I remeber.
    Dont he was dropped in rating after this?

    I will check it later on Polish site where if I good remeber I read about it.

    And what can I say more. Call it duck or not but poor Hrgovic... How guy can build his career when all choosing other options?
    But off course some genius blame Filip for all that.

    For me that probably look like this. They Ask Wilder about sign contract for Zhang fight but they said they want someone easier in next fight.
    So they ask Parker who he want fight more- Zhang or Hrgovic. He make smart move and choose Zhilei.
    For me 0% Hrgovic fault. I change my mind if someone show me realistic proof that he fu... This up.
     
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    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I do think his promoter at the time also mentioned that financially the fight wasn't a fight that interested them, which if were honest is true. He made millions for fighting Chisora the year before, but would be offered what to fight Hrgovic? Fact is Hrgovic isn't a lucrative option for anyone who has better options. That's not Hrgovic's fault and it sucks for him but it definitely limits his options. If a promoter was going hey fight Hrgovic for a few million, like Parker was and still is making, I'm sure Hrgovic would have more options and maybe Parker and his team would be more interested.

    I don't think anyone blames Hrgovic for his predicament, he's all risk and very little reward. But at the same time if a fighter like Parker is offered another option that is more lucrative and easier to win, can we blame him? Do we really expect prize fighters and that's what they are to choose more dangerous and less lucrative fights when they have better options.

    Right now Hrgovic is wasting his time even calling out the Parker's because if they have better options they will take them over him every single time just like any other fighter would. Hrgovic instead of fighting the Mark De Mori's needs to be fighting guys like Kabayel, Bakole and Sanchez. These fighters too struggle to get fights with good opponents, these fights are far more likely to be made as these fighters unlike Parker, Joshua. Uysk, Fury etc don't have better options. Hrgovic did it before when he fought Zhang another fighter at the time who couldn't get a meaningful fight. He needs to do this more and build his resume and properly prepare for his eventual title shot, because he's wasting his time fighting the guys he's fought recently, they do nothing for him and if anything may see him regress as many on here have suggested.
     
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  5. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Just check it out, and Parker had an elbow issues at that time. Parker was definitely healing an injury, as he took almost a year off the ring, after beating Chisora. His next fight was against the juggernaut of the division, one of the most hyped names on here - Joyce, 9 months after his previous one, as obviously he was struggling with injuries.
    And how i know that, simply? Parker has been very active. He had fought 3 time in 2021, and just 1 time in 2022, exactly because of the injuries. And he had literally 5 fights in the span of 1 year after the Joyce fight.

    So how exactly your narrative is fitting that Parker would duck anyone in the division, when the guy fought Ruiz, Hughie Fury, AJ, Takam, Dimitrenko, Chisora, Whyte, Joyce, Wilder and now Zhang.

    And i will answer you the reason why no one wanted to face Hrgovic, and it's not because anyone was scared of him, but because of IBF imbecile rules. He is a complete no name, and brings no money to the table, and the IBF rule is when order mandatory, the number 1 guy, at that time Hrgovic, to get 60% of the split.
    Zhang took just $260k. for fighting Hrgovic. After paying his expenses, taxes, his team, etc, etc, not much money left.

    Parker is essentially fighting the more dangerous fight in Zhang. I like Parker, but i think Zhang may KO him inside 6.
    It's funny you are making all kind of excuses for Hrgovic, but facts are clear, he fighting Mark f**** De Mori, while Parker fought Wilder, and now Parker is fighting Zhang, and Hrgovic is fighting who exactly?

    Yeah he is waiting for his IBF shot. Nothing wrong with it, but he needs to keep his mouth shut, same for his fans. No one is ducking this guy. There is zero money in fighting him, as he is not marketable, and that's the reason no one wants to fight him.
     
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    Bakole ducked him twice already (1 time for sure and second was rumors)
    Sanchez? I dont think he would take this.
    Kabayel? No idea.

    U see the problem is that Filip cant jump on higher level because all duck him.
    When Zhang dont duck him he take fight and IMO win .
    But Zhang is the one who got better carrer now.

    Hrgovic situation is dramatic. Somebody must paid for his opponent to force them but who will? I guess Saudi paid pretty similar for Parker for Zhang and Hrgovic.
    But he choose Chinese.

    Its difficult to build carrer when no one better want smoke with You.
    Name that ducked him already is
    1. Hunter (waste more than year his carrer pretend he want it)
    2. Bakole
    3. Gasijew
    4. Ortiz
    5. Ruiz
    6. Parker
    And I dont remeber more but probably 1-2 more names which I forget now.
     
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    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Muhahahaha who are you trying to lie to ?
    Why is Hrgovic not on the card then? If Parker didn't want the Hrgovic fight, Saudi wouldn't have offered him the Zhang one.
    It's Hrgovic who is ducking. The only big thing in him is his mouth.

    Anyone accusing Parker of ducking anyone is absolutely delusional.
    Especially when Hrgovic is just sitting home, and his last opponent was De Mori.
     
  8. BlackDog

    BlackDog Active Member Full Member

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    You are delusional.
    If its all about money then Canelo is the best and ppl like Hrgovic always be "no name".

    And Yes all they ducked him. Win with this no name its not only pride but quarantee titlle fight what is money + prestige + highest sport goal...
     
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    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Bro get real. Your bias is clouding your judgment.

    Go look at the facts, before talking nonsenses.
    Parker is ducking no one. He never done that.
    He was injured/struggle with his elbow when the Hrgovic fight was offered. Also there is no chance that Parker would have accepted that fight anyway, as the split was 60-40 for Hrgovic, as he was number 1 in IBF.
    Parker was ex Champion, and way bigger name. Again Zhang took less than $290k. for fighting Hrgovic.

    Parker fought 3 time in 2021, and just once, almost a year after his last fight in 2021, cause he was INJURED. And his next fight after the long lay out, was against the supposed Juggernaut that some people on here were saying he is the second coming of Ali. If i remember correctly, you too.
    So how exactly Parker was ducking Hrgovic, just to face a lot more dangerous name in the Joyce, based on the mass fans on here at that time?
    And now he is ducking him to face once against the supposed monster in Zhang ?

    This ain't tik-tok, you ain't accepting a fight on twitter.
    And Parker ain't the one sending offers. It's the Saudi, so what you are saying makes no sense at all.

    Especially when Parker last 2 opponents were Wilder and now Zhang.
    And Hrgovic last 2 ones were McKean and de Mori. And now he is not even fighting, which speaks volume.

    The contract was 100% send on all parties.
    Saudis were waiting on Wilder. Zhang team already confirmed they signed the Wilder fight, and they are waiting on Wilder. The dosser ducked the fight, as i knew he won't take it, and they made Zhang - Parker.

    You and Black are 100% decent posters, but your bias on here is real.

    And didn't i told you that IBF title won't be vacant. So good that AJ is fighting instead of being inactive as Hrgovic who is waiting on his title chance.
    He won't take a dangerous fight in between, amin for anyone who think otherwise.
     
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    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You are wrong.
    It's officially confirmed. Wilder ducked Zhang. Team Zhang have already said it, that Saudi send them contract and to the Wilder team. Zhang sign the contract, Wilder didn't.
    So the Saudi had to act.
    Don't know the Hrgovic situation, but i was 100% sure he won't risk his status and will just for the big money fight, prolly against AJ, which is still unsure, as Saudi said that the winner of AJ - Ngannou is fighting for the Undisputed next.
     
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    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    We'll he accepted the Parker fight so not quite

    And Joe dodged it before due to the money
     
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    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Nqh he is clutching at straws here. He is Hrgovic fan, which is nothing wrong, but this guy needs to get back to the earth. No one is ducking Hrgovic.

    Hrgovic was number 1, and IBF has their stupid rules. The split was 60-40. And 60-40 split from Hrgovic fight is pathetic.

    Again Zhang took $290k. Guess how much is that going to be after taxes, his expense, medical stuffs, travels, paying his team, etc, etc.

    And for what Zhang got robbed in that match.
    Can you imagine calling a duck 60-40 offer in favor of Hrgovic against Parker, who is a former World Champion, and just in AJ he earned at least $10m.

    And then people were ducking Hrgovic, yeah sure.
    There is a reason why he is fighting guys like McKean and de Mori. And there is a reason why he is not on the card.

    The true ducker is Wilder though, as it was confirmed that Saudi send both Zhang and Wilder a contract. Zhang signed his contract, which was officially and his manager confirm it, and they were waiting on Wilder. Wilder ducked the fight and Saudi offered the fight to Parker.

    This guys have no clue. It's not Parker who calls the shot, is the Saudi. They are doing the offers.
    The only question on here is, as Parker was 100% confirmed to be on the line, did Hrgovic duck the offer from Saudi to fight Parker ?
     
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    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    What title fight buddy? It's 2024, and Hrgovic still hasn't fought the supposed title fight. So mandatory doesn't mean title.
    Zhang is the WBO interim Champion, he is not just mandatory.
    Also do you even realize that IBF rules needs to specifically order a fight for mandatory? Parker may very well beat Hrgovic, and still won't be mandatory, as IBF didn't order it. :D

    And this is prize fighting, they are not fighting for glory. Of course Parker, who is an ex Champion and took $10m. from AJ won't fight Hrgovic for less than 300k, and getting 40% against f**** no name Hrgovic.
    Also how fighters do get injured. They are not robots, not going to explain the whole situation again, but Parker was 100% injured at that time.

    Sorry buddy, you are a decent poster, but your bias here is clearly clouding your judgment.

    There is a reason why Saudi didn't call your boy on the card. Or maybe he did duck the Parker fight, as Zhang was offered the Wilder fight, and WIlder ducked that one.
     
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    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He accepted it when? Cause tik-tok is not the place where you are accepting a fight.
    Wilder also offer all kinds of fight on tik-tok and then when the offers are send, he ducks all the big fights, like now with Zhang.
     
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    As I said before You are delusional. Your proof on "duck" is fact that somebody wont be on the card (lol)...
    And Yes Parker ducked Hrgovic in past (or choose better option as You want call this). If he was injured he can show medical paper- he wont be thrown down in rating then. But he dont because its not the reason. That's why he go down on IBF rating.

    And IBF is now nr. 1 in fight witch champion who got it not WBO.

    Parker choose Zhang because he is 40, got worse stamina and he throw half punches what Young Filip can throw.

    Its look like You waste to much energy for defend Usyk and Joshua and fighting trolls and You stop thinking logical in this thread lol
     
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