Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Kiwi_in_America, Nov 15, 2023.
This Luis Ortiz who beat nobody and being knockdown in fight with all better opponents he face?
Maybe Parker lose but I wouldnt be surspriced if he win that one.
Not surprised. Wilder is where the money's at.
Zhang is dangerous as hell and probably mercs Parker. Dubois is winnable but if he loses his stock takes a major nosedive.
Wilder right now probably beats him. Every time I've believed in Parker to pull the trick he's disappointed. He has the tools on paper to cause Wilder major problems, but he doesn't have that dog in him. I'd be thrilled if he pulled it off, but I just don't see it happening based on their current run of form.
Yes, that's one right there.
Remember when Joseph Parker fought Alexander Flores and had to hammer Flores' genitals half-a-dozen times to set up the shots that finally got him out of there?
Old man Ortiz hit Flores once to the body and that was enough for Alexander to soil himself and take a knee.
I don't think he beats Stiverne 1 or Ortiz in all honesty.
So a smart move then.
Parker can win this
Might he get KO'd in the attempt? Yes.
But he does have the attributes to win.
Style wise I can see him being a tough match up for Wilder, I'm just not sure I've ever seen Parker in a high enough gear to win a big fight.
I tend to agree with you, BigCheese.
Parker definitely has to step it up here. He has to be at the top of his game
But as I said - the attributes are there
Parker beat Andy Ruiz in his come up when he was probably at his best. Ortiz lost to this watered down version on Ruiz.
Stiverne was put away by Joyce in round 6 where Parker went to the 11th.
You guys have such high standards for these guys.
Parker has just 2 losses on his record so now he sucks and will get destroyed by everyone.
All of these top hw match very close. Wilder has had some crazy padding on his record. His best performances are a draw with Tyson. Everything in between is fighting fat bums or journeymen.
Wilder has started throwing tantrums because he thinks that his fight with Parker should be the one that immediately precedes the Fury v. Usyk fight, rather than AJ v. Parker. So I'm about 99% sure he's going to duck what would be a reasonably-risky fight with Parker and say it's because they are dis-respecting him.
Wilder isn't going to take anything like a risky fight unless there's huge money behind it.
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Stiverne was how old when he fought Joe Joyce? And even Trevor-effing-Bryan has stopped Stiverne while we're at it.
Ortiz was how old when he dropped that decision to Andy Ruiz? I despise Wilder but give him credit for fighting King Kong at a time when the division was still ducking him. Up until Wilder fought him, the HW division had spent the last three years ducking Ortiz.
Parker was able to creep past Ruiz mostly because Andy was such a McMuffin that he needed to take off most of the rounds in the 2nd half of the fight to avoid gassing. Call me crazy, but I'll stake my claim right here, right now that Andy's peak form was actually that first AJ fight where he came back from a knockdown to lay a beating on AJ that he's never really fully recovered from.
I could definitely see Parker beating Wilder. Wouldn't go so far as to predict it, but Wilder's old, rusty and his head's not on straight. The only times I've seen Wilder outbox a halfway-credible opponent was the first Stiverne fight. That was almost nine years ago.
The first time Wilder faced any adversity against Fury in their last two fights, he went on wild head-hunting expeditions...never to return.
who cares they were all old . Wilder beat on two guys who were in their late 30s early 40.
And Ortiz didn't beat anyone legit before Wilder, neither did Stiverne.
Good portion of all these boxing heavies you guys hold on a pedestal have crazy padding and beat maybe 1-4 decent fighters.
Dont make it seem like Ortiz and Stiverne were world beaters demolishing monsters. Parker has had a legit career derailing undefeated prospects.
Wilder has some flaws, he's got good lateral punches but he sometimes loses his focus and gets sloppy in middle rounds, he can be rattled and fatigued if you press him.
Ortiz flattened Bryant Jennings who, in his previous fight, had been the first fighter to give Wlad Klitschko any sort of trouble in the last five years. Heading into the championship rounds, Jennings had a real shot of beating him. Nobody wanted to touch Ortiz for a couple years after that.
Rather than name the other good fighters Ortiz has beat - I'll name a less-than-good fighter: Razvan Cojanu. Joesph Parker (in a title fight!) couldn't stop him in 12 and even dropped a couple rounds along the way. In his next fight, Cojanu faced Ortiz and didn't make it out of the 2nd round!
Stiverne was not a great champion. I'll concede that. But he beat prime Arreola twice (one of which was a stoppage) who had challenged Vitali Klitschko for the WBC title, and stopped Ray Austin (who had challenged Wlad Klitschko for the rest of the belts). Parker's best three victories would be Ruiz Jr., Carlos Takam and a toss-up between his first fight with Chisora and his narrow win over Hughie Fury. Stiverne had a short prime, but Parker's resume isn't all that much better. At least not yet.